Hi I just want to ask if my flat mate needs to be on the house contract to get ARC.
I thought all he needed was a degree, and a job, and thats it pretty much other than being from an English speaking country.
What I just read before said.
it said it was a relevant document not a requirement but I can’t find the information again. I closed it by mistake.
Can anyone help clear up this information.
Can be living in the homeless shelter. As long as the bloke has a job that organizes a work permit, he’s free to get an ARC.
so why are hess pushing my flat mate for it.
I’ve never heard of such nonsense. Perhaps someone with more experience on the subject could illuminate us further?
It’s bullsh*t, but it looks like they’re trying to tie him down with another local contract (and the resulting deposit) to ensure he doesn’t do a runner at some point.
he said they are going to sack him if he does not produce the readies of a household contract, and a water bill.
If Hess sacks him, it will be the best thing that ever happened to him.
I told him not to worry like, and he would find a better job within a week probably. I remember when I was worried about getting a job but I got one no problemo, by the way i’m going a bit of topic here but can you actually say grasses? I am certain you cannot, it sounds so silly.
It sounds so odd though, going back on topic about the water bill and household contract.
Very ocassionally, the NIA will ask for a contract or water bill to prove residence at a certain location… which might be usueful in case of a contract but normally the utility bills come under the name of teh landlord…
Unless NIA is pushing Hess -dunno how or why- I don’t see the logic of pushing so far as to threaten to “sack”… It would be easy as pie to get a new contract -10nts at 7-11- and have the landlord -wink wink- fill it out and produce last month’s electricity bill -that much!- but it is the attitude that’s the problem…
ps.
what I mean to say is that Hess is not pulling this out of mid-air. There is a list of stuff that you should bring when getting an ARC, or renewing it. It is rarely enforced to the last comma, but it might be true in thsi case. However, Hess telling your friend to show or go is the weird part… unless they have been repetedly asking for it and he’s delaying the stuff.
i said he should do that with his missus dad if he is really that worried, because they really like him so it seems. I have really never heard of this though, maybe the hess he is working at has made problems with the wrong people.
And hence they are right, he wont have an ARC. So, in his individual case, seeing as his “ARC provider” requires the documents, they are right. No lease contract, he’s sacked, he has no ARC.
He could go to the Labour Court though, but unless he gets another ARC school in the meantime, he’ll have to leave before he can actually do anything about it. And if he signed a contract in Chinese that stated this clause as part of his employment contract, they might get away with it anyway (or at most a light slap on the wrist), with no gain on his part… 
So, unless he wants to leave Hess right now, or unless he’s just living with you for a few weeks before he finds a new place, might as well have his name on the contract with you.
Very ocassionally, the NIA will ask for a contract or water bill to prove residence at a certain location… which might be usueful in case of a contract but normally the utility bills come under the name of the landlord…[/quote]
Exactly, so not really necessary in that regard.
As I said, I think it’s because the want to ensure he has another contract (and the resulting deposit), apart from his Hess contract, to ensure he wont do a runner at the drop of a hat.
Also doubt that’s the case…
When I went to apply for my first ARC, they made me bring in my rental contract. I was told that it was because I didn’t have a residence visa (went straight from visitor visa to ARC), so they needed proof of where I lived. Don’t know if that’s really the reason, but they wouldn’t let me apply for the ARC without it.
So they’re not necessarily making it up.
[quote=“zyzzx”]When I went to apply for my first ARC, they made me bring in my rental contract. I was told that it was because I didn’t have a residence visa (went straight from visitor visa to ARC), so they needed proof of where I lived. Don’t know if that’s really the reason, but they wouldn’t let me apply for the ARC without it.
So they’re not necessarily making it up.[/quote]
Interesting. Well, personally I’ve never applied for an ARC myself. My employers always did that on my behalf. Perhaps they used their addresses as my residential address.
The only one I ever applied for personally was the JFRV (Joining Family Residence Visa) and I didn’t need my rental contract for that either. However, I did need my wife’s ID card and our family book (Hukou), which has a residential address attached. Although, the address on the JFRV card itself is my actual residential address, and for that, all I needed was an electric bill or any other bill for the property. I used the electric bill, which is in the landlord’s name…
Would be interesting to hear from a few more people who applied for their ARCs themselves.
Any chance it has to do with the tax department? I seem to remember a few years back that you needed a copy of a rental agreement to prove your place of residence … it’s been 7 years since I needed to file alone so this may be way off.