How do we make drivers yield to pedestrians at crosswalks?

Some—not all—bus companies in Taipei / Xinbei follow this policy.

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Bus drivers have been doing it for a while now some time after the JuYe city bus driver hit the 2 Tunghai Univ. students on a crosswalk then proceeded to drive forward again and kill the then still alive student.

I think what’s more surprising is the fact that they are still doing it and didn’t eventually stop.


Some news shared by a politician up in Linkou. I think it’s a simple change, but a necessary one regarding how sidewalks or lake thereof at gas stations placed on corners in which the corner itself is basically an entrance and an exit and poses serious danger to both other road users and pedestrians.

Sidewalk with an actual curb leading up to the corner and plastic bollards and a sign put up. Sign says don’t drive against traffic to enter the gas station otherwise you will be reported.

Another before pic. from Google street view:

Google street view link:


This is not the problem with busses. I hate them, won’t take them if I can help it.

At least there’s some progress I suppose although I’m always amused that when it comes to stopping pedestrians entering traffic there’s budget and will to put up iron railings, when it’s stopping traffic it’s green paint and plastic cones.

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I guess he got scolded because he didn’t listen or because he did get a fine.

And NOT because he didn’t let his family cross the the street and not because he endangered his own family…

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This raises more questions than answers for me.

He was actually pretty far from the pedestrians. So what is the rule? What is the distance? If a pedestrian is touching the crossing you have to yield?

Lets make the rules clear. Because if thats the rule then 99% of people are not following it. And would be confused and annoyed by people who were following it.

Why is there a single fucking camera like this in the whole country?

If Taiwan has the means and the tech then why are there not more of these??? Its a joke.

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There are many and many more under installation, however there is great resistance to the idea of the “surveillance state” so they tend to only get installed in areas where many accidents have already happened.

But don’t stop for pedestrians o running over sidewalks, not problem lol

As @SuperS54 mentioned there are actually some all over, at least in the bigger cities. I think Taichung has installed about a dozen or so in just the past half a year if I recall correctly. This is on top of other newly installed traffic cameras for catching red light runners, speeding, etc. Typically they are more focused at the more dangerous intersections that frequently have accidents. It’s likely that more will be installed this year given how far behind the MOTC is from their goal of reducing pedestrian deaths.

I can’t say for other cities since I pay more attention to Taichung since I live here, but last month we had 27 new traffic cameras come online of which 13 can catch vehicles not yielding to pedestrians.

As traffic cameras are required to have signs to indicate their presence the police also publish the locations of traffic cameras on their websites.

For Taichung:

https://www.police.taichung.gov.tw/traffic/home.jsp?id=55&parentpath=null&mcustomize=multimessages_view.jsp&dataserno=202207040001&t=Download&mserno=201801260055


As for the enforcement part it’s dictated by the NPA as the law only states that road users must yield to pedestrians. Currently the NPA goes by 3m in the direction of travel of the pedstrian so the camera will be set to that.


Some other news that popped up on Taiwan News

Road users who are made to take training classes for accumulating too many points on their license are now required to pay for the classes at a rate of 200NTD per hour whereas before it was completely free.

Currently it seems rather hard to get that many points given that points are now only accrued on a license when a police officer in person writes the ticket.

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Because railway trespassing is a lot more damaging than just someone blocking road traffic. A delayed train is potential for accidents that are much more harmful as trains need several km to come to a stop.

Not to mention potential for sabotage.

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If you want to be mean, fine.

Guy got lucky this time, perhaps the train was moving slowly, or more likely he moved out of the way before he was hit.

But in general trains take forever to stop, and there are physical reasons why they do, for one there’s not that much traction between steel wheels and the rail, so even train in emergency braking is going to have a long braking distance. Some trains (like MRT trains) have a magnetic brake that gives additional braking power (it sucks the train down onto the track, or induces some kind of eddy current that causes additional drag).

A lot of times, something’s on the track, there’s no way they can stop in time. Hence the justification for harsh penalties for trespassing on rail.

That wouldn’t even cover my neighborhood. And why does only half of them have the ability to catch non yielders?

So people can choose at which locations to break the law. Again, following the laws of the road in Taiwan is …optional.

I always thought those traffic camera’s purpose is to be absolutely sure people won’t speed along that point due to it being accident prone…

FFS :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :guitar: :guitar: :guitar:

If you want to plough into threads spewing irrelevant/off topic/inaccurate/completely incorrect “facts” then expect to be called on it. Whining won’t change that.

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Following this, cameras should be everywhere.

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Delivery truck driver fails to yield to a man and his wife on the crossing. The truck is so close the husband kicks the vehicle. Delivery truck driver stops and gets out and starts assaulting the husband.

Edit: News video showing the truck driver not yielding to the pedestrians.


Another pedestrian hit by left turning driver.


EDIT: Last week pedestrian almost hit by left turning bus in downtown Taichung.

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So Taiwan.

I can almost kill you but dont touch my shitty van while im doing it or i have to fight you.

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The sh&tty driver / assaulter was zipping around trying to deliver those gas cannisters to eateries and restaurants. The amount of aggression and pent-up frustration here is obvious. There’s a real lack of training of boys (or men acting like boys) to learn to control their feelings. Somehow this form of masculinity (such as it is) remains widespread and is even socially accepted as part of the landscape.

I wonder how he feels now that he’s on national news. :neutral_face:

Guy

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Someone on FB just posted this photo of these “creative” painted sidewalks…

A commenter pointed out that there is already a sidewalk on the left, but…

Seems about right.

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