How do we make drivers yield to pedestrians at crosswalks?

I saw online someone shared a Yahoo Japan article about the Japanese pedestrian’s death in Kaoshiung. It has more than 250 comments on it.

Some of the top comments (ChatGPT translation) are:

Taiwan is a popular tourist destination due to its proximity to Japan, but the number of traffic accidents is much higher than in Japan. The number of fatalities due to traffic accidents is about five times higher per capita in Taiwan than in Japan. Every year, Japanese tourists and international students are involved in accidents.

The main causes are traffic conditions that prioritize cars and drivers. Even at intersections and crosswalks, vehicles often speed through, rushing ahead without concern for pedestrians. Other dangerous behaviors, such as ignoring traffic signals, speeding, sudden starts, sudden stops, and failing to stop at stop signs, are common and accepted.

In Taiwan, the traffic rules that are standard in Japan do not apply. Pedestrians must always be vigilant due to the hazardous traffic conditions.

Over 20 years ago, when I first visited Taiwan, I was surprised by how many cars there were that drove aggressively, despite most people being gentle. The guide told us, “Be careful of the cars. If you’re involved in an accident, you’ll just be at a loss.” I was told that compensation after an accident is much lower compared to Japan. I wonder if things have improved a little since then? It’s truly unfortunate when lives are lost. One really has to be cautious around cars.

I don’t want to say this, but Japanese people shouldn’t take the environment in Japan for granted. There is no country that is as overly protective of pedestrians as Japan. In many places abroad, drivers prioritize their vehicles. If you assume, like in Japan, that cars will stop for you, you might get run over. In Japan, pedestrians casually walk across crosswalks while looking at their smartphones. That kind of behavior is only allowed in Japan. Crossing the street abroad can be a matter of life and death.

Compared to Japan, driving in Taiwan feels much more aggressive. There are many instances of fast driving, and motorcycles often weave through traffic, speeding close to cars and pedestrians. Unlike Japan, where pedestrians have priority, it’s important to recognize that in many places outside Japan, cars have the right of way.

However, this time it was an accident on the sidewalk. Of course, you should always be cautious even on the sidewalk, but this kind of accident is hard to avoid even if you’re careful. It’s truly unfortunate that something like this happened during what should have been a fun family trip. It’s just heartbreaking.

I love Taiwan and visit once or twice a year, but the driving can be rough and scary. The first time I went to Taiwan, I took a taxi from Jiufen back to Taipei. Even while driving on the highway, the driver was looking at his smartphone and tablet, which was quite frightening. (But the driver was a nice person and spoke a little Japanese, which was kind.) Since then, I try to avoid taking taxis in Taiwan whenever possible, and even when the traffic light is green, I always make sure to check my surroundings.

A few years ago, I visited Taiwan, and crossing the street was really scary. Even when the pedestrian light was green, there was no such thing as “pedestrian priority.” Cars would rush through even if pedestrians were already on the crosswalk, so I always hurried across, fearing I might get hit. In foreign countries, not only do you need to be cautious about safety, but you also have to be careful about traffic accidents.


In Keelung in just a couple of weeks the exact same spot has two separate instances of pedestrians legally crossing being hit by cars.


Hualian politician tries to pull the I’m a politician card to a police officer who is giving him a ticket for illegal parking on a red line on the corner. The man loses it and starts yelling at the officer. Well, now that he’s caused such an embarrassing scene his actions are being reviewed by the Taiwan’s People Party (TPP) and requesting a punishment be doled out.

The man even took the police report form and walked over across the street, leading the officer to tell the man that such actions could be considered disrupting a police officer’s duties as it is an official document. The politician demanded the officer to record the incident and tell him clearly what law he has broken. The man even said I have never seen an officer like you! I will call the station chief! The police said that their officer did nothing wrong and stood by the officer’s actions.

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I’ve also never seen a cop giving a ticket for illegal parking. I have only seen cops parked on the red line at the corner

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Couple of articles in the news today.


Over 80% of cyclists in Taiwan ride without helmets

[Taiwan News Link]

[Former Minister of Health] Chiu suggested implementing a mandatory helmet law for cyclists, with insurance not covering accidents for those not wearing helmets. He said the policy could be phased in, starting with school outreach and subsidies for purchasing bicycle helmets.

Most commuters find it inconvenient to carry helmets with public bicycles. Chiu also suggested that Taiwan consider Japan’s automatic helmet rental machines or introduce foldable helmets priced between NT$2,000 (US$60.67) and NT$4,000 each.

:thinking:

Maybe we can start by making some half-decent infrastructure and roads that aren’t a complete mess.

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Though I’m generally against helmets laws for bicycles and similar human powered transport, a law for kids under a certain age might make sense.

Helmets? Get fucked. Sort out your criminally shit driving practices and infrastructure first, useless git.

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Liuqiu island getting its first ever traffic light. I wonder why they just didn’t go for a roundabout instead?

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Probably because they are trying to reduce accidents…

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We all know how inefficient police here is when it comes to traffic issues and especially when it comes to submitting videos to them where they want to see the pedestrian and the car he is gonna get hit by to atleast accept the complain.

This greek women is on news now so hopefully, the face shaming will help her get her complain get noticed.

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The police have asked her “to provide additional footage” :grinning_face:, perhaps they should just walk outside.

In fairness it appears the main reason for not acting on her submission was the lack of time and date on the video.

Anyone see her on local news also, or was this just for the English lesson news?

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2 days enforcement coming /s


Bus stop is blocked by illegally parked cars in Taichung along Gongyi Rd. Bus driver turns on the speaker to tell them to leave. Even when the news comes a different day to film on location there are many illegally parked vehicles and people wanting to get onto the bus have to walk into the road to wave down the bus.


Another news video from today. In Taichung bus stops often full of illegal parking. Due to the govt. removing the ability to report many types of traffic violations you can’t report these vehicles. You have to call and wait who knows how long for the police to come. Bus drivers are not able to move over to the curb and people are forced into the road to see the bus. Due to how serious illegal parking continues to be often buses are forced to cross double yellows or drive into oncoming traffic lanes to go around illegally parked vehicles.

A delivery driver who is illegally parked says that in some areas the delivery vehicle parking is very far or some areas there just aren’t any. Well when there are no sidewalks or sidewalks are full of legally parked motorcycles thanks to Taichung’s stupid rule to open 3m. sidewalks to parking of course everyone will just park directly in front of where they are delivering goods. It’s impossible to even walk through some of these sidewalks. It’s insane that the govt. can’t figure this out.


Taichung bus stops in the middle lane and asks students to run across the road, through motorcycle/scooter traffic, to get onto the bus. It was a teacher that was filming the video. She recorded this happening in two separate instances. To be honest this is still better than some of my experiences with the same bus company (different route).


“New” sidewalk (there was a sidewalk there before) along Taichung’s Chongde Rd. in the North district. I passed by the other day. They widened the sidewalk and made a significantly larger extension at the corners significantly reducing pedestrian crossing. Unfortunately, as there was already parking spaces painted on the sidewalk before, everyone has already starting parking on it again. No idea if the city will paint the parking spots on the sidewalk again, but it seems very likely.




For comparison here’s what it looked like before:


From a City Council meeting regarding sidewalk improvement projects in Taichung. Shows sections having work done, already finished, or in planning. Also shows the costs for the projects.

I can’t say for all of them, but at least the areas that are listed there that I’m more familiar with, there are already sidewalks so I’m not sure how many of these are actually brand new sidewalks in areas that never had any or are just rebuilding/widening existing sidewalks.

One spot I noticed is Section 1 of Zhongqing Rd. Only the west side has a sidewalk, the East side doesn’t. Even though it’s listed I have no idea if they will actually build a new sidewalk on the East side. The slow/motorcycle lane in some parts there can be as wide as 5m…if not more. No reason to not have a sidewalk there.


She’s in the local news as well. It seems the basis for not issuing a fine was because there was no pedestrian visible, even though in the video you can see her legs. From what I recall in some traffic relating groups on Facebook people haven’t really had too many issues reporting similar videos.

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Were they Taiwanese doing the reporting?

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Yup. Last one I recall seeing was quite a while ago, but if I recall correctly the person was crossing and a car almost hits them and the pedestrian pointed their phone downwards as the car was passing or had just passed to get their feet in the clip.

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I asked the police one time out of frustation what they need me to show in the video so that my report is accepted . They told me they need to see me walking clearly in the video,and i must show face to show its actually me walking clearly on the crossing and the car clearly passing very close to me where they can see the distance between me and the car and also the date and the time must be shown in video

The rules are absurd as it is

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The old 3m BS the police invented probably. I was looking at this with regards to the time/date excuse.

Unfortunately a lot depends on the officer and district the report is made in. I know in Xindian it’s practically impossible to get a fine issued for the typical lane change close swipes you see all the time whereas in DaAn they’ll issue fines for the same thing all day long!

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“Do our job for us”
:oncoming_police_car:
“Nope, not good enough!”

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These rules are nonsense.

You can’t fine someone when you have footage of yourself being within feet of the car.

But there’s a camera somewhere in the country that will fine cars who are not yielding and the distance is far greater than the woman in the video.

Why is there such an inconsistency in the rules? Do the police even know the rules? Do the cameras even know the rules? Pathetic.

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The MOTC is really ridiculous…

The motorcycle right’s association heard that other civic groups they work closely with with regards to traffic and pedestrian safety were notified about a meeting between the MOTC and Civic Groups to discuss the improving the license system. The motorcycle right’s association was surprised to hear that they had yet to receive a notice from the MOTC for the meeting so they inquired about it. The response from the MOTC is that the Motorcycle Right’s Association has little relevance with regards to the discussion of the license system…

ChatGPT translation of the Motorcycle Right’s Association’s post:

A few days ago, our association received notifications about a meeting for exchanging opinions regarding the improvement of the licensing system. We were curious as to why everyone was invited except for the Taiwan Motorcycle Rights Promotion Association. So, we asked Legislator Lin Yueqin to inquire with the Ministry of Transportation.

The Ministry’s reply was: “The reason why the Motorcycle Rights Promotion Association was not invited is that the driving license and training system has a low relevance to motorcycle organizations.”

… We have no idea what the Ministry is talking about.

But it’s okay. We still plan to organize an event this year, and when the time comes, our association will definitely invite all road users to gather in front of the Ministry of Transportation to ask them some serious questions.

[Link to post]

This group often works together with other traffic and pedestrian safety groups and also advocates for traffic/pedstrian safety, improved road design and stricter training and licensing system.

This has led to people mocking the MOTC and jokingly saying that in the future you don’t need a license to ride a motorcycle but you will need a license to be a pedestrian.


Pedestrian in his 60s crossing an uncontrolled crossing is hit hard by a scooter rider. The man is severely injured. Has cerebral hemorrhaging. The man is still in a bad state and is unable to move by himself. If I understand correctly it is some kind of paralysis. Also his speech is affected too.


Definitely. Some districts the responding officer will easily issue a dangerous driving report where as others where I’m nearly hit in a much worse situation will say it doesn’t qualify. Other times I will get a response saying they will not issue another ticket for a violation as I already reported it…despite it happening 1 or 2 intersections away, which according to the police means it’s fair game for reporting.

Also I wonder if for some districts, when they get swamped with reports, they just quickly go through (well more than usual) and quickly reject reports. Some districts it’s more common for me to have to wait 7+ weeks to get a response. Others could be as quick as 4 days if it’s a slow week for them.

I wonder if the officer is really clear about their own reporting standards. He might not be familiar with some of the specifics.

People have begun mocking the police due to this incident since it’s clear you can see the pedestrian’s legs.

Now we have this new meme image (notice the phone in the middle) saying this is what the Kaoshiung police think the situation is like.


These 360 action camera companies should start advertising their cameras as pedestrian dashcams in Taiwan and include a date and time overlay option.


EDIT: Just noticed on Wowtchout youtube channel the recent batch of videos uploaded all have English titles. I wonder if this is a new thing going forward to increase viewership.

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This looks weird, obviously there is much more to the story

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Looks like he is a few bricks short of a wall.

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