Well, Taiwan does. It also wants to exclude a fair portion of those workers from the minimum wage requirement so it can exploit them a bit more. It just wants them to fuck off again after a few years without the ability to get permanent residence.
Reasonable argument.
Yes, ideally APRC should be competitive enough so it is not simply automatically coming for every immigrants with 5 years exp.
I guess I should make reconnect with people in real life. Everything went blank after December 2017.
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Other countries also have what they call a “skill assessment” where they take in to account more than just income but rather a range of things. One thing about Taiwan is that it is noticeably lazy and wants to streamline everything. Thus the lazy government simply uses salary or assets as a baseline of skill or investment.
One thing is the 183 day rule being applied across the board for all ARC/APRC holders despite their own law stating “those who are domiciled in Taiwan only need 1 month” (No. Domiciled doesn’t mean household registration as they class people working and living in say Taipei but household registration in Kaohsiung as domiciled in Taipei!
Another is the online banking. Taiwan simple doesn’t allow anyone born abroad to open a bank account online so the illiterate bank tellers can force you into falsely declaring a second tax residency under CRS.
Another thing is the traffic. Instead of having police enforcing the law and driver training… they focus on using camera systems such as fixed speed cameras. I have never seen so many fixed speed cameras in my life! But it doesn’t stop the drunk BMW drivers doing 160+ on the 74.
It’s almost as if they plan for nobody to be in charge of actually managing things…
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Yeah, that’s true about other countries also assessing skills and the half-assedness of some rules here…but it still seems charitable, given other policies, to assume it’s only the half-assedness rather than a deliberate attempt to make it difficult for migrant workers to gain permanent residence…
If any of u priviliged folks ever try to get a Permanent Resident for any EU blue cards, North American countries, Australian or New Zealand…
One of the requirements getting PR is…. Getting a job in said country…. Like a proper job, not internships.
One main requirement to get a job in said country is…. Having a PR without necessity of the company sponsorship.
In most companies, they won’t sponsor your PR. Only room for foreign students/new grads are unpaid/hourly paid internships.
And you only have so many months of internships before you got kicked out.
Talk about Catch 22 there.
Considering that the government has lowered the requirements specifically for migrant workers… I’d say it’s safe to assume that.
What do you mean? You’re presumably not talking about the “intermediate skilled manpower” thing that takes >10 years and isn’t much of an improvement for the vast majority of migrant workers.
Might want to look more closely then. Both of the images you posted say this - they need to work in Taiwan for 6 years before applying to be reclassified as intermediate skilled manpower, then work as such for an additional 5 years.
So I should have said “>11 years” rather than “>10 years” as the bare minimum (not taking into account however long it takes to apply for both of the main steps and any delays due to waiting for the end of a full calendar year to meet the salary requirement).
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So Taiwan is essentially giving them skills by training and reclassifying them… No it is 5 years as at first they are essentially low skilled status and Taiwan is training them and lowering the goal posts at the same time…
What are you talking about? It’s 6+5=11 years for them to have the chance of getting permanent residence, which is what we’re talking about, compared with 5 years for “regular” (western) foreign residents working here. You can put 6+5 into a calculator if you don’t believe me. And that’s if they can meet the salary requirements, which many won’t be able to because it’s much cheaper for employers to bring in new slaves than pay that.
There’s a bit more criticism of the program in the article below.
According to media reports, some 200,000 migrant workers meet the six-year experience requirement. However, as of the end of July, only about 218 applications had been filed with just 31 approvals.
There was also another article recently in Taiwan News or somewhere, where even the government was saying that uptake has been very low. The point is that it’s not a viable route for the vast majority of migrant workers here, which is of course the goal - to make it look like the Taiwanese government is being more accommodating to the slave class without actually needing to do that.
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This means,
You need 6 years of working with 33K salary in industry then you are classified as “Intermediate Skilled Worker”.
Then, after additional 5 years, in same work, either 2x min salary (at this point 52800 a month) or level B certificate, you are qualified for APRC. As Andrew said, you need 11 years in total before actually getting APRC.
If the situation like this, most succesful applicants will be various Filipino engineering workers in medium-low tech industrial parks in Linkou-Guishan area. As their salary already 30-33K, de facto they are already “intermediate skilled workers”.
Most caregivers only getting 17-20K, won’t qualify for this.
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Those “regular” (western) people are often classed as white collar workers and still need to meet the income requirement. Regardless of nationality if you not classed as white collar you will have to do the 11 years.
Also I know Filipinos who are teaching English and have the same ARC type as the “westerners!”
“Most” but “most” aren’t educated and IF they do a certificate they can earn more…
Again. Every country has a requirement that you should be “skilled” before immigrating.
Refer to page 20… Do you mind explaining to me if Japan, Phillipines, Malaysia etc are western countries? How could they be included in a list of
? Do you care explaining your racial profiling?
Stupid. 
What are you actually arguing for here? That the Taiwanese government’s well-known discrimination against migrant workers is all good? That there should be more of it? Or something else?
No, Japan, the Philippines, Malaysia, etc. obviously aren’t western countries, and nor did I suggest they were. Yes, of course there are also professional workers from Japan in Taiwan, and of course a minority of residents from ASEAN countries working in Taiwan are also professional workers, but most aren’t. With ‘“regular” (western)’ I only meant that the pathway to permanent residency is much easier for people from these countries (who make up much of Forumosa, for example) than it is for the vast majority of foreign residents here (classed by the government as “migrant workers”). Change “western” to “rich countries” or whatever in your head if you want - I don’t mind.
If your point here is just that you support the continued discrimination by the Taiwanese government against migrant workers or that they deserve to be treated like this because they come from poorer countries, just say that and stop bothering me with these silly non-arguments, thanks. If that’s the stance you want to take, you’re definitely in the right country for it.
@comfy123 I understand English is not your native language.
Let me explain in Indonesian.
Looking at the chart, seems that the government try to include newly foreign graduates with salary 30ish K salary into this regulation.
Kalau kamu sempat sekolah dan setelah lulus bekerja di sini, maka status kamu bukanlah pekerja migran (migrant worker). Kamu adalah pekerja profesional independen.
Pekerja migran direkrut dari negara asal (hanya dari Indonesia, Thailand, Filipina dan Vietnam saat ini), melalui suatu agensi yang bertanggung jawab terhadap keberangkatan hingga kepulangan kembali si pekerja migran.
Walau nampaknya Taiwan mau memasukkan pelajar lulusan universitas di Taiwan dengan gaji 30 ribuan sebulan ke dalam peraturan ini.
Tabel diatas menunjukkan jumlah orang yang memiliki status pekerja profesional independen teknis (kurasa berarti siapapun yang bukan guru bahasa Inggris dan bukan pekerja migran).
Ada 250000 orang Indonesia di Taiwan. Hanya 5500 yang merupakan pekerja profesional. Sebagian besar adalah pekerja migran yang bekerja di pabrik sebagai buruh kasar dengan gaji 20-24 ribu sebulan dan perawat lansia dengan gaji 17-20 ribu sebulan. Kebanyakan pekerja migran dari Thailand, Filipina dan Vietnam bekerja di pabrik dengan gaji 20-24 ribu. Hampir tidak mungkin mereka menerima kenaikan gaji hingga 29 ribu untuk memenuhi aturan mendapatkan status pekerja ahli menengah.
Jadi hanya satu golongan yang bisa mendapatkan ini, lulusan universitas yang bekerja sebagai insinyur/buruh teknik di pabrik-pabrik mikrochip. Walau pada akhirnya setelah 11 tahun, jika ingin mendapatkan APRC, mereka tetap harus memenuhi syarat normal untuk mendapatkan APRC seperti pekerja profesional independen.
Oh mereka bisa juga mendapat APRC dengan gaji 33K jika mempunyai sertifikasi level B.
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Are you American or have you lived in America for a long time?
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Don’t put words in my mouth.
No. Obviously if you come from a “wealthier” country why would you want to live in a dormitory and work in a factory or as a housekeeper? You would be loopy.
My point is that the visa that you essentially called a “white privilege ARC,” is actually open to skilled workers from ANY country and I know many Filipino’s etc living and working on a “white privilege ARC.”
I don’t support any kind of discrimination and if you see my posts and comments surrounding the e-bike issue for example you will see that I argue against discrimination. - I am pointing out that this is not discrimination.
What this program is, is a stepping stone for some very uneducated people in helping them get a good education and a good job, along with lowering the goal posts. You can’t argue discrimination on that! Most countries (even “western” or “white privilege countries,” whatever you call them) will just send them home once they fail the rigorous skill test that I guarantee will be a lot more difficult that requiring what is essentially a trades certificate!
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Did he actually call it that, or are you putting words in his mouth?