How much do I need to watch my back with co-teachers

A few months ago a co-teacher started ignoring me, her behaviour got pretty absurd and climaxed with her refusing to talk to me in front of the children and telling them to relay messages to me…

Anyway I’ve since complained and the principal changed the time table so we don’t teach together but the rudeness / unhinged behaviour was not dealt with. There’s a total of 2 teachers who’ve been acting like this, but their clique extends quite far through the teaching staff and I don’t feel so at ease with the extended circle any more.

It sounds pretty paranoid, I know, but could they inflict any actual danger on me? Apart from acting out and making themselves look like idiots, is there anything I need to be super careful of?

Basically I’ve never encountered a professional situation in which adults behave like this. My job’s still pretty cushy compared to lots of other stories I’ve read on here, just checking if there is more unseen Taiwanese drama I need to be careful of…

I had a girl in my last job who would turn and face the wall whenever I walked past her. I complained but, it’s taiwantown, nothing is ever done.

We seem to get many stories of people getting hazed by their Taiwanese coworkers here. I know these things happen but I don’t remember ever having this issue when I taught in the past.

You can’t trace this back to anything in particular you might have done wrong?

Her reaction is strange, but it makes me wonder what you did to deserve that. Did you date anyone there? Did you talk behind their backs? Maybe she reads Forumosa and saw some things you wrote and thinks you’re a pervert? :man_shrugging:

When I approached her to ask what the problem was she got really angry and told me that there wasn’t a problem and then proceeded to tell me that she had family issues and had no time to talk to me… She told the principal that I just wasn’t suited to co-teaching PE with her.

When I spoke to her directly I asked ‘你最近表現好像討厭我的樣子,如果我做了什麽錯請告訴我所以我能改變’ and through gritted teeth she told me ‘沒有什麽問題’

I’m at a loss…

Beats me, I have asked for clarification, offered to fix whatever perceived offenses I’ve committed.

Ha! Don’t worry I’m certainly not dating the PE teacher!

Back home we have a saying.

Teachers are just students who never grew up.

It is a super wierd industry as the vast majority seems fairly childish and petty. Even the academic end of things is just filled with jealousy and back stabbing. Ironically it seems that the special needs teachers and preschool teachers seem to be the most mature. Just in general. So ya watch your back. Better yet, stop caring and collect your check then go hang out with adults after work :slight_smile: will be a happier life imo

I have most certainly found some of the most unprofessional teachers in Taiwan and among the Chinese-speaking staff of American (in the US) schools.

That’s not to say I haven’t dealt with petty/immature teachers in the US (oh boy are they there too), but it seems to be amplified here. I think the hierarchy for getting things (allowed to leave school when you don’t have class even though that’s “not allowed”, using school funds to buy worthless shit that only you will use, getting out of proctoring tests, etc.) is the only thing to make up for the strict “you are paid based on your number of years teaching x academic level” / lack of mobility in the ranks.

Being a teacher means status in Taiwan. That being said, teaching in Taiwan is a thankless job with mostly unmotivated students. It wouldn’t be, if teachers would just teach the students in a way that didn’t make them hate learning, but I know too many teachers who literally became teachers either for the pay/status, because they love to scream at kids, or both. (you don’t have teachers becoming teacher for the pay or social status in the US, so that gets rid of a lot of the a**holes you have to deal with here. I don’t know where you’re from, but I think a lot of Western, English-speaking countries have a similar view of their teachers)

A lot of new teachers here come in excited to break down the system and help build something “new and engaging” that will “reach the students”, only to realize that it’s impossible, and join the ranks of teachers who turn on their microphone as loud as it will go, ramble on for 45 minutes, and then yell at students who fail tests because they can’t pay attention to someone droning on at them for the better part of an hour. It’s never the teacher’s fault here, so it’s easy for teachers to blame everyone but themselves when students fail.

I have certainly had a few moments with bad co-teachers. Generally, I would say it was 90% on them – refusing to plan with me, doing whatever they wanted in the back of the room, being racist towards “dark” students, only talking to the students they liked, complaining about me to people in power, complaining about me to other students, etc. And that other 10% was me just being fed up with their shit and not finding it worth my time to give them the time of day.

I would say it’s not something worth stressing about. If you have a shitty co-teacher or two…welcome to the club!! Make sure you have people you can rely on and hang out with outside of school so you don’t lose you mind. If you haven’t gotten through to them through bubble tea and fried chicken (maybe even try to buy them coffee, if you notice them drinking it in the morning?? I’ve also done chocolate chip cookies, but I refuse to share food in the office right now due to COVID, but you could try), just try your best to power through the rest of the year. But make it clear to the principal that you’re not going to sign a contract for next year if they don’t do something about your awful co-teaching situation. If they value you enough to want you to stick around, they will try to accommodate you. If they don’t value you enough to fix the issue and put that in writing, they’re not worth your time.

A good hint that it might be time to find a new job is if your students are the only thing keeping you there. If you have coworkers who are still nice to you or at least respectful, it’s worth giving it another shot. If everyone is giving you shit and the only faces you look forward to seeing on Monday morning are your students’, go elsewhere.

I find the special needs teachers to be the quickest to use inappropriate labels that any American teacher would quickly be called out for and possibly immediately fired for (such as “retard” directed at coworkers, or saying that students have developmental issues because they have dark skin or their mothers aren’t from Taiwan.) But that’s been my experience.

I would agree. I saw more of this in the states. And began to notice how it correlates to the neighborhood, type of school and/or grades.

Can confirm. I refuse to play the guanxi games of sucking up or take sides in inter-office dramas, and pay for it sometimes when it comes to getting screwed on my schedule, or not getting my first-choice classes.

In general: being friends with your coworkers is like being friends with a tiger. You never know when they will turn on you.

Yeah, my wife once told me “even if you think so-and-so is friendly, don’t tell them anything personal because they might use it against you one day”

Years ago I quit doing teacher training because of the number of, ahem, characters I had to deal with. Teachers deliberately buggering up activities was a pet peeve. I understood that they didn’t feel they should be there, but why try to scupper the class?

I’ve recently returned to it and so far it’s been fine. Quite enjoyable, in fact. Perhaps I was doing something wrong in the past, or maybe it was just luck of the draw.

To be fair that’s probably true in any country, not just Taiwan.

I guess I have really been lucky so far…never had a coworker, manager, or roommate that I couldn’t handle.

I did get bullied quite a lot in school, though. Maybe having it good at work and at home is karma’s way of making up for that, or something.

When they start to film you through a door or window. That’s when things are bad :joy:

That’s happening to me right now.

i’ve had similar experiences here in the past. people can be very weird.
if you have a decent relationship with the boss that’s something to be thankful for. it sounds like a tough situation though.
i wouldn’t confront anyone, just do your job well, be civil with everyone. the worst your co workers will realistically do is spread lies about you.
the boss most probably doesn’t really give a shit about them or you but if you’re a good worker and an asset s/he will want to keep you, or at least, that’s how i would look at

in any work place, there will be the rotten, jealous, opportunistic or vindictive type that will stab you in the back.
Taiwan is a polite culture, so you are surprised to meet them, but they are everywhere, in all industries,in all countries.

Just don’t bend over in front of anybody and you’ll be fine.

To an extent. Although I have made great friends with coworkers in the past, I do think the culture of office gossip and backstabbing is more prevalent in East Asian countries than in western countries. It also seemed to be a problem when I worked in South Korea (perhaps even worse there).