Yes, but I think that really only matters for a tiny percentage of elite athletes/lifters. I know I’m not one of them. 
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But then what do u recommend? I don’t think he was saying you were wrong, but rather a lot of it is optimization advice for elites. When most people just need to get into a calorie deficit and exercise regime
Exactly 0 calories counted.
If I want to cut down to the above picture, I eat less carbs to get to 90kg
If I want to bulk up and crush home runs at 100kg, I up the carbs and let all that glycogen shuttle to my muscles.
Calories counting is for people who do not understand metabolic functions and think it’s a simple equation on the chalk board to be worked out.
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Find ways to manipulate your hormones that open and close the doors to fat going into and out of fat cells. Some of them aren’t to hard like fasting or avoiding high insulingenic foods or eating insulingenic foods at the right time.
Nutrient timing, hormone manipulation through nutrition. All plenty of research to back it up. In some cases stress and cortisol needs to be checked like actually getting sleep. Or even Hormone replacement therapy for some people for need it.
It was not an appeal to authority. Most of the “authorities” are talking bollocks. It was a description of empirical fact.
Ah, OK, now we’re getting somewhere. You’re saying that the mere act of counting calories, despite being utterly meaningless in and of itself, can help people lose weight, in the same way praying with rosary beads can keep people on the straight-and-narrow?
That might be true up to a point. Nevertheless, the usual point of counting calories is to restrict them. And your whole argument involves “reducing calories”. So I think you’re not being entirely honest here.
Allah on a bike. Nobody has even studied calorie-counting purely for the sake of counting because no funding body would give them money to do such a dumbass thing, although I’m guessing there are studies that do this in the control (“no intervention”) arm. Yes, the studies I’m referring to involve counting calories AND reducing them. Because thermodynamics, right?
I’ve heard this, but what your saying is different than what Greg Doucette is saying or James Smith (super famous fitness influencer/pt) in the UK. They say that for 90% of the people they just need to be focusing on calories.
Man stop now. I sent you an article specifically saying calorie counting works, actually refute that please. So they have studied calorie counting and they do.
Calorie counting works because it helps people to know how many calories are in the food they normally eat, that’s separate from calorie restriction. It’s a tool which you misunderstood
I can’t spend more time on this. You can’t support your assertion and are now tediously moving the goal posts.
There’s some people that don’t need to count calories. They eat too damn much and don’t ever move. At that points it’s to me not an issue of counting calories. They just need to eat less and move more. But even they would benefit from understanding how to do it more efficiently than simply being in a caloric deficit.
What I’ve seen is plenty of people do everything right. They do calories in calories out. They never get to their goals. They might make some progress, but the plateau or just lose it and become worse off. Some people don’t have great metabolic functions or the body composition to help their metabolic functions.
Remember how I told you a pro bodybuilder couldn’t gain muscle and lose fat while taking huge amounts of exogenous anabolic androgenic hormones. Like 10-20x more than the average person because their natural cortisol is too high? If you can’t even beat your own hormones using exogenous hormones, you think the average person struggling has a chance unless they address the natural hormones?
I can’t argue with you, I can repost the Greg Doucette video when he says otherwise. What you are saying is different than others , but I defer to you and willing to stay open minded
Counting calories works for me and many I know, even though it’s imprecise, because it’s easy and comfortable. I respect that others might not feel this way or other things work better.
Here’s what I believe, if you took two sample groups.
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You tell them to count calories in calories out to lose weight.
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You tell them don’t count calories but fast to lower insulin sensitivity and avoid insulingenic foods and go low carb.
I truly believe group 2 would lose more fat. Key word is fat.
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I don’t agree based on my own experience and people I listen to, but then that’s fine.
But volume eating is basically low carb or low GI. As these are the most satiating foods with the best calorie ratio. There is a difference between oatmeal and white bread , but in terms of fat loss only calories matter. My diet is probably similar to yours , I just don’t see the point of being so restrictive about a particular macro, when you can just cut down
So did you afternoon delight her?
Can be wrong about some things. Bodybuilding is basically a testament of trial and error of the human body at the absolute limits of muscle hypertrophy and fat loss. Gurus of the past, were often wrong about things. Just like the gurus of the present will be once we look back.
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I had to gradually train myself to tolerate being hungry to the point where I now don’t notice it. I think it’s natural to be hungry and there’s no evolutionary requirement to sate one’s appetite immediately. In fact, I think it’s unhealthy to do so.
Now I need to gain some weight through muscle. At 50 that gets increasingly difficult.
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I was doing some form of low carb and fasting for half a decade. My feeling is that it’s quite cult like and full of quacks. I just think a more balanced diet is happier, more sociable, less restrictive and more sustainable and gets better results and that’s what most people I listen to say now. Maybe I’m self selecting, but that’s my experience, but I’m willing to stay open minded
Also roughly having a feeling of what calories are In the food you eat helps to make better choices and just be more mindful of food in general.
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I think she was just letting off some steam. She’s married.
Give this guy a listen. Start at 2:28:40
He’s a medical doctor who is also an elite world class athlete. He knows his stuff and applies it to himself and his patients.
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I’m going to listen. I will say, I’m the biggest Rogan fan and followed for years, but he is a magnet for bro science. Most of the bad fitness and diet knowledge I got down the years has been listening to Rogan. That is going to color my judgement
Quite funny that all the comments are saying Joe needs to bring Greg Doucette on to say why what Peter is saying is wrong.
What he says is less compelling and well argued than Greg tbh. It seems slightly broey