HSBC now treating all foreigners as non-residents? Why?

I’m continuously baffled by how many Taiwanese bank staff don’t understand there’s a difference between “nationality” and “residency”. :thinking:

It’s only slightly related, but I finally e-mailed Richart/Taishin a few days ago to complain about having my tax residency listed as the UK on the withholding forms. I included copies of the withholding forms, my tax residency certificate from the tax office, and my entry/exit certificate from immigration, and I clearly explained in the e-mail that although I’m a UK citizen I’m not resident there in any way, shape, or form.

When Taishin called me back on Monday, the guy kept referring to the “Tax Jurisdiction Code” field and “residency” as “nationality”, and he kept saying I couldn’t change my nationality from what’s listed on my APRC (I wasn’t trying to!). I had to correct him like five times before he started using the correct word, and even then he seemed hesitant to use it, like he was unsure what it meant. :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

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Linkou branch.

Based on their Google Reviews, they’re not exactly known for providing the best customer experience:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/G63mrwVgpqThFztTA?g_st=com.google.maps.preview.copy

The entire account opening process was already a bit surreal:

I had made an appointment via phone and already sent copies of my ARC and passport as requested by them.

When I arrived, the security guard stopped me. The exchange that followed was roughly like that:

  • What’s your business?
  • I have an appointment to open an account.
  • Oh. So you want to open an account?!?
  • Yes. I have an appointment.
  • Which employee do you have an appointment with?
  • Uhh, they didn’t tell me the name…
  • I need to know the name of the employee! Was it XYZ?
  • Uhh…

At this point, the woman at the entrance counter took over and guided me to an empty room and told me to take a seat. After one minute or so, another employee came inside, put the application in front of me and just said: “Your name!” while pointing to the form.

Maybe I was expecting too much - I thought because I came to open a “Premier” account (through my Premier account in Jersey with HSBC Expat), they would at least offer me a glass of water or something. But instead, the entire process felt more like a police investigation… Especially, when - after writing Taiwan as residency - they told me I need to change that to Germany. It felt more like being lectured how I can be so stupid to write Taiwan there although I am obviously a foreigner…

At least they were fast - after half an hour they already told me “Okay, finished”.

Then, I was brave enough to ask if I can directly open a credit card. I handed them my income tax statement from last year.

Her first reaction was: “How can you have this kind of document?!?” - “???” - “You said you have an overseas employer. Why are you paying taxes in Taiwan?” - “Uhh, it’s the law…”

They checked a bit and told me that they cannot accept my application because they need a local employer. A tax statement would not be enough.

I then pressed further and asked if foreigners without a local employer can not open a credit card with HSBC. The employee was already telling me that this is the case when I told them that I know several foreigners who have successfully applied for a card. She then told me that I would need to prove a deposit at a Taiwanese bank.

(Unfortunately, my bank passbook wasn’t up to date so I couldn’t use it. So I headed straight to the next E.SUN branch to update my bank book. I also made the mistake of asking for a account statement. The employee at E.SUN was very friendly (just such a difference to HSBC staff…) but didn’t speak much English, so it took some time for her to understand what I wanted. She promptly got to work - and it only took her 45 minutes to produce said statement… Seriously, ESUN staff is mostly friendly, but just so slooooooow…)

Anyway, once I had the documents, I headed back to HSBC and handed them the documents. Then, they handed me the credit card application form and told me to fill it out.

Once I gave it back to the employee, she checked and noticed that I had written my Taiwanese address as “home country address”. She handed me a new, blank form and told me to write my address in my home country. The exchange that followed was roughly like that:

  • “Uhh, I live in Taiwan. I don’t have any address in Germany”
  • “But you need an address there. It’s the policy!”
  • “But I don’t live there. I live in Taiwan.” (Showing my passport which says “Residency: Taipei”)
  • She checks a bit and discusses with her colleagues
  • “You need to have an address in Germany. Otherwise, we can not proceed”
  • “Uhh”
  • “Do you have any friends or family in Germany? Just use their address”
  • “But I am not really living there…”
  • “…”
  • “…”

She then put the form in front of me slightly pissed and told me to write the address. I then wrote the address of my parents and told them again that I don’t live there. They didn’t care and told me the card should probably arrive within 3-5 weeks…

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Ah, fuck. Wasn’t meant to

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I go to the Heping E. Rd. HSBC branch for all of my transactions. Never had to provide an address other than my Taiwan apartment address. I just go in and tell my account rep what I want and she fills out all the paperwork for me while I drink a cup of coffee and we chat. All I have to do is sign the paperwork at the end and I’m done.

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They replied - but not much…

Dear Customer,

Thank you for your message.

We are deeply sorry for the unpleasant experience you had. We have also forwarded the content of your letter to the branch manager. Please ask the manager to further understand the follow-up processing. We will contact you again after confirming the situation.

If you have further enquiry, please feel free to contact us at (02) 6616-6000.

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I wrote the address of their branch in Australia. I did the same with other banks too. Such as E.sun. You will find many of the banks in Taiwan have representative offices in your home country. Just give their address.

Here is one example:
https://www.esunbank.com/en/business/corporate/overseas-branch/australia

Or… just write something like “123 I live in Taiwan and don’t have an address in Germany street, Berlin 00000”

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yeah, it seems that comms between HQ and branches not the best. probably now they told them to modify all the forms and comply with the new policy.

With E.Sun, I don’t remember (I opened the account there straight out of quarantine when I just moved to Taiwan - so at that time I didn’t actually mind to provide them my German tax information etc. as for that year, I was still a tax resident of Germany). I think they insisted at that time that I write down the name of my employer although I was unemployed at that time (and said that I couldn’t open an account without specifying one). So in the end, I settled for writing my previous employer…

For Cathay and Richart, they didn’t ask for any address outside Taiwan. But those accounts, I opened much later.

Let’s see - I mean they said that would contact me again, but not sure if that will really happen or not… :man_shrugging:

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maybe next week send another chaser to the complaint email saying the branch hasn’t contacted you yet.

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I actually just received a phone call. They apologized for my experience, thanked me for bringing up this issue to their attention and told me that they will use my feedback to improve their processes.

So pretty similar to what they told @Mataiou .

Not sure if there will really be some improvement in the future, but at least they replied.

Let’s see if everything works out with the bank account and the credit card.

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Bank account will take a week to open, they will send u details and debit card.

Credit card they r slow, in general. 3 weeks minimum in my experience

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Not sure if you still have accounts in Germany. I have accounts overseas and I changed my address and tax status to Taiwan. I opened HSBC Premier here last December and it went smoothly. I already had HSBC Premier HK. They did ask if I will still tax resident of Australia. I showed them my Australian bank details show my details were listed in Taiwan. So many people move here but never tell their banks overseas their new address and cell number for Taiwan.

NAB NON RESIDENT

Yeah, I did that same. Don’t want to pay the 25% capital gains tax on interest and dividends in Germany :wink:

The “funny” thing is that they accepted my tax declaration (I only declared Taiwan as my tax residency) without any issue. Or maybe they just didn’t notice that part.

What did bother them were just the two fields “residency” and “home country address”. There they wouldn’t accept anything else than “Germany”. When I showed them my passport (which I had updated at the German institute to say “Residency: Taipei”), they were at first really shocked how this could be. For a moment, I actually thought I had convinced them. But then, they pointed to the fields “nationality” and “residency” on the English form I was filling out and said “On the Chinese form, these two fields are the same, so you cannot write different things. It’s the policy.” :man_shrugging:

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Dang in Australia its 10% tax on interest earned and 30% on dividends.

But no tax on stock profits for non residents.