Hurray for Die Welt!

At last, someone waking up to realities in Germany. I know that there are more. Let’s hear from them. Time to shout down the neo Marxists and the militant environmental socialists and all the other loonies to get down to commonsense. Here at last is a voice of reason. More please!!!

Matthias Dapfner, Chief Executive of the huge German publisher Axel Springer AG, has written a blistering attack in DIE WELT, Germany’s largest daily newspaper, against the timid reaction of Europe in the face of the Islamic threat.

EUROPE - THY NAME IS COWARDICE
(Commentary by Mathias Dapfner CEO, Axel Springer, AG)

A few days ago Henry Broder wrote in Welt am Sonntag, “Europe - your family name is appeasement.” It’s a phrase you can’t get out of your head because it’s so terribly true.

Appeasement cost millions of Jews and non-Jews their lives as England and France, allies at the time, negotiated and hesitated too long before they noticed that Hitler had to be fought, not bound to toothless agreements.

Appeasement legitimized and stabilized Communism in the Soviet Union, then East Germany, then all the rest of Eastern Europe where for decades, inhuman, suppressive, murderous governments were glorified as the ideologically correct alternative to all other possibilities.

Appeasement crippled Europe when genocide ran rampant in Kosovo, and even though we had absolute proof of ongoing mass-murder, we Europeans debated and debated and debated, and were still debating when finally the Americans had to come from halfway around the world, into Europe yet again, and do our work for us.

Rather than protecting democracy in the Middle East, European appeasement, camouflaged behind the fuzzy word “equidistance,” now countenances suicide bombings in Israel by fundamentalist Palestinians.

Appeasement generates a mentality that allows Europe to ignore nearly 500,000 victims of Saddam’s torture and murder machinery and, motivated by the self-righteousness of the peace-movement, has the gall to issue bad grades to George Bush… Even as it is uncovered that the loudest critics of the American action in Iraq made illicit billions, no, TENS of billions, in the corrupt U.N. Oil-for-Food program.

And now we are faced with a particularly grotesque form of appeasement… How is Germany reacting to the escalating violence by Islamic fundamentalists in Holland and elsewhere? By suggesting that we really should have a “Muslim Holiday” in Germany.

I wish I were joking, but I am not. A substantial fraction of our (German) Government, and if the polls are to be believed, the German people, actually believe that creating an Official State “Muslim Holiday” will somehow spare us from the wrath of the fanatical Islamists.

One cannot help but recall Britain’s Neville Chamberlain waving the laughable treaty signed by Adolf Hitler, and declaring European “Peace in our time”.

What else has to happen before the European public and its political leadership get it? There is a sort of crusade underway, an especially perfidious crusade consisting of systematic attacks by fanatic Muslims, focused on civilians, directed against our free, open Western societies, and intent upon Western Civilization’s utter destruction.

It is a conflict that will most likely last longer than any of the great military conflicts of the last century - a conflict conducted by an enemy that cannot be tamed by “tolerance” and “accommodation” but is actually spurred on by such gestures, which have proven to be, and will always be taken by the Islamists for signs of weakness.

Only two recent American Presidents had the courage needed for anti-appeasement: Reagan and Bush.

His American critics may quibble over the details, but we Europeans know the truth. We saw it first hand: Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War, freeing half of the German people from nearly 50 years of terror and virtual slavery. And Bush, supported only by the Social Democrat Blair, acting on moral conviction, recognized the danger in the Islamic War against democracy. His place in history will have to be evaluated after a number of years have passed.

In the meantime, Europe sits back with charismatic self-confidence in the multicultural corner, instead of defending liberal society’s values and being an attractive center of power on the same playing field as the true great powers, America and China.

On the contrary - we Europeans present ourselves, in contrast to those “arrogant Americans”, as the World Champions of “tolerance”, which even (Germany’s Interior Minister) Otto Schily justifiably criticizes. Why? Because we’re so moral? I fear it’s more because we’re so materialistic, so devoid of a moral compass.

For his policies, Bush risks the fall of the dollar, huge amounts of additional national debt, and a massive and persistent burden on the American economy - because unlike almost all of Europe, Bush realizes what is at stake - literally everything

While we criticize the “capitalistic robber barons” of America because they seem too sure of their priorities, we timidly defend our Social Welfare systems. Stay out of it! It could get expensive! We’d rather discuss reducing our 35-hour workweek or our dental coverage, or our 4 weeks of paid vacation… Or listen to TV pastors preach about the need to “reach out to terrorists. To understand and forgive”

These days, Europe reminds me of an old woman who, with shaking hands, frantically hides her last pieces of jewelry when she notices a robber breaking into a neighbor’s house.

Appeasement? Europe, thy name is Cowardice.

So, realistically, the chances of the next world war being in Europe…again are what?

Sounds more like a medieval call to religious warfare than an end to appeasement.

Time to party on like it’s 1399!

So what specifically would you like to challenge the author on spook? Anything you agree with? semisupport?

Sounds like this guy has read Bernard Lewis. I cannot after three readings find ONE THING I disagree with in this article.

If the EU and Germany in particular feel that accomodation is not seen as weakness by the radical muslims and the muslim non-radical silent supporters of violence, then I really feel sorry for them. Every single hand of friendship and accomodation that has been extended to terrorists, particularly the muslim type for the past three decades has resulted in only MORE attacks.

Having a German Muslim holiday is akin to saying, “You win but for the paperwork.”

Well the irony of course is that many Germans as Gunther Grass would no doubt argue believe that they have actually changed and that their new militant pacificism is in fact a departure from their past dogmatic adherence to isms that often result in injustice on a grand scale. Yet, in fact, as they refused to fight Hitler are they not now repeating their past evils by refusing once again to face evil when it rears its ugly head yet again? I am reminded of the peace marches of the left which refused to fight communism or condemn Stalin or the Soviet Union for its atrocities as well. Really, sometimes I wonder if it would not have been better to follow Morgenthau’s plan and leave this nation of rubes and yodelers to a more pastural less industrial existence both in the interests of protecting the Germans from their own “good” intentions and their neighbors as well. I am being flippant here and do not seriously mean the LAST sentence but sometimes I have to say watching Germany once again go through the same self-assured contortions that led to disaster in the past yet once again is a painful spectacle.

Yeah but the US did purty well afer the last debacle. I mean, sad as it is, SOMEONE has to rebuild Germany…again.

I’ll see it as a VERY bad sign when the US finally says NO to any more involvment in the volatile situations that crop up around the globe. That would mean a slow retreat into isolationism, which would be baaaaaad for everyone. Like it or not.

All this ranting against the evils if Islam and the Muslim peril – with side swipes about shouting down Marxists – reads eerily like the bayings of Nazi polemicists against Judaism and the Jewish community pre-World War II.

All the elements are there. German right-wing intellectuals leading the charge against a ‘perfidious foreign religion’ in their midst, decrying the weak and cowardly politicians who refuse to realize that a clash of civilizations is in the offing and the Volk need strong leadership.

We’ll soon see if the people of Germany learned the real lessons of World War II about the true nature of hate-mongering and religious intolerance and how they cleverly masquerade themselves as righteous national self-preservation.

Ah Spook concerned for the Jew today are we? Rather than engage in such moral equivocating, ask yourself one question. Does Europe offer Muslims and Arabs the same rights as its own citizens?

Ultimately, the real question is: Are Europeans a threat to Muslims and Arabs or vice versa. Has Europe and have Europeans made great efforts to understand and tolerate Muslims and Arabs? Has the reverse been true? Have these efforts been reciprocated? Is there currently a problem in the West with Jewish and Christian intolerance or is it in fact a problem of Muslim and Arab intolerance? I realize this may be too difficult for you to figure out so continue stewing away in your confusion. It is, however, not a pretty sight.

I’m of the belief that the concepts “Jew”, “Muslim” or “Christian” are nothing more than short-hand artifices of the mind that do more harm than good. The truth is that people hate and people love and those that choose to destroy tend to form bonds and label their commonality “National Socialism” and those that choose to be builders form common alliances and name themselves the “Red Cross” or “Amnesty International” or “The Unites States of America.”

Physical and cultural differences, though very real, are only packaging that are completely separate from innate humanity.

So beware he who pushes the illusion that the complex human condition can be reduced to a simplistic taxonomy of artificial labels and innate otherness. We are all Jews and we are all Muslims at the same time and yet we are none of these things simultaneously because our humanity transcends all and is the only reality.

How nice of you to say so Spook. I welcome your conversion. How noble of you.

[quote=“spook”]Physical and cultural differences, though very real, are only packaging that are completely separate from innate humanity.

So beware he who pushes the illusion that the complex human condition can be reduced to a simplistic taxonomy of artificial labels and innate otherness. We are all Jews and we are all Muslims at the same time and yet we are none of these things simultaneously because our humanity transcends all and is the only reality.[/quote]

I do not think transcendant thinking has a damn thing to do with a real culture of real people pushing real violence into real parts of the world.

I’m thinking of the real demolition of real buildings, the real beheadings of real civilians deserves a real response that attacks and demands answers from those responsible. The real fact that most of these folks are Muslim is not a concern of mine. If they were Hindi, or Jewish, or Christian, I’d feel the same way.

What fucking amazes me is that in the last 25 years the US has been condemned for exporting Hollywood and McDonaldsa and Coke to the world and muslim terrorists have been blowing people up left and right and the world has responded by making it easier for them to do so.

Appeasement. Nice word! :tic:

Aggression in Iraq has by now … wait! The counter is ticking!! Caused HOW many deaths, muslim, wedding-party guest, non-combatant, women, children, and gasp American deaths, so far? :pray:

I’d rather go for appeasement. But that’s just me. :astonished:

I’m just glad you’re not in a position to make such decisions.

maybe the reason europe would rather stay out of the whole mess is because they know first hand what war was like. they suffered losses on their front porch, what was left of it. america loses a couple buildings and less than 3000 people and its the biggest tragedy the world has ever known. maybe if they had the destruction europe faced in ww2 they would think differently about blowing things up. as for all the bashing of france in the world, they had it bad in both wars. with all the fighting happening in their streets, they were first hand witnesses to the effects of war and chose not to get involved again. same goes for germany. and as for all your whining about their radical environmentalism, whats so bad about that? again they see first hand all the problems of pollution. if you have gone through the region next to the netherlands border all you see is smokestacks. they want to do something about what they have before its all gone. usa still has some land left to trash so they arent so worried about pollution yet, besides sucking back gas in big suvs is good for his buddies in oil companies.
public sentiment in the usa towards the war in iraq is not that good, no matter how much bush and the stooges try to make it seem like iraq was responsible for the attacks in 2001. just imagine if there were more americans killed in iraq, or more attacks in usa. iam sure people would stand up in unison and cry out “why are you doing this to us, what have we done to deserve this”. would they want to fight, and lose more lives. i doubt it. one thing some warmongers forget to realise is how much emphasis is placed on life in different countries around the world. in western countries, life is precious. in other places where people strap bombs to themselves, life isnt as precious. how do you fight that when you place such a high priority on life? they are quite willing to die for their cause, and others will pick up where those who died left off. where as western nations (usa included) see the death toll and cringe. look at japan at the end of the war. even after the two atomic bombs fell, they wanted to continue. iam sure the same will be said about china or north korea if anyone decided to attack them. so as for europe wanting “appeasment” as opposed to a bloody destructive war reminiscant of 60 years ago, i can understand why.
what is your plan? go into their countries and kill them all off? usa is in iraq now, killing whoever gets in their way. so what happens? it recruits more people to kill americans from neighboring countries as well as within the country. so whats your plan???

I’m just glad you’re not in a position to make such decisions.[/quote]

At least she’s honest.

Well, they [i]are[/i] the ones who started World Wars I and II, right? And who exactly got stuck with the bill for cleaning up their mess?

Well, they [i]are[/i] the ones who started World Wars I and II, right? And who exactly got stuck with the bill for cleaning up their mess?[/quote]

That makes me wonder why they would rather fight a huge unavoidable war and not fight a smaller preventative war. :loco:

Well, they [i]are[/i] the ones who started World Wars I and II, right? And who exactly got stuck with the bill for cleaning up their mess?[/quote]

That makes me wonder why they would rather fight a huge unavoidable war and not fight a smaller preventative war. :loco:[/quote]

The intelligent people have been leaving Europe for 500 years…what do you expect?

Well, they [i]are[/i] the ones who started World Wars I and II, right? And who exactly got stuck with the bill for cleaning up their mess?[/quote]

That makes me wonder why they would rather fight a huge unavoidable war and not fight a smaller preventative war. :loco:[/quote]

The intelligent people have been leaving Europe for 500 years…what do you expect?[/quote]

Hmmm, he said, scratching his head…where DID they go?