Moderating issues. Again.
Does anyone here like being moderated?
For a small fee would you like a moderator to follow you around all day, changing your words for you, or telling you that you are off topic, so that you seem more p.c.?
Again the conclusion will be:
Maoman likes moderation, moderation is never consistent, they do it for free, if you don’t like it then p*ss off.
Brazil.
Is there any point to these anti-moderator rants ? Or are you just having a childish cry because you can’t say what you like, just like you can’t say what you like in public, or smash whoever you like in the face ?
I presume you’re allowed to take a dump whereever you like ? Or call random people in the street “c*nts” and expect them not to mind. Or is that just how they act in London ?
[quote=“TomHill”]Moderating issues. Again.
Does anyone here like being moderated?
For a small fee would you like a moderator to follow you around all day, changing your words for you, or telling you that you are off topic, so that you seem more p.c.?
Again the conclusion will be:
Maoman likes moderation, moderation is never consistent, they do it for free, if you don’t like it then p*ss off.
Brazil.[/quote]
I think one has to realize that a forum such as Forumosa isn’t a government-funded site. Neither did it fall out of the blue. Somewhere, somebody realized the need for it and decided to invest money and time into it. Forumosa is a great help to foreigners who need advice, friendship and support. Why should I want to throw rubbish into the well that gives me water? I used to post a load of rubbish, but I’ve seen the error of my ways. If one feels an urge to post a lot of objectionable stuff, it’s very easy to start your own blog (blogger.com or wordpress.com). It doesn’t cost a cent. One can still add a link to one’s blog as a signiture. This post isn’t aimed at anybody specific that’s why I’ve used the “one” so much.
Pretend we’re all adults.
I can understand why old Tom is pissed.
Was there really a need to chop his post out?
I don’t think so.
[quote=“Big Fluffy Matthew”]Is there any point to these anti-moderator rants ? Or are you just having a childish cry because [color=blue]you can’t say what you like, just like you can’t say what you like in public, or smash whoever you like in the face ?[/color]
[color=red]I presume you’re allowed to take a dump wherever you like ? Or call random people in the street “c*nts” and expect them not to mind. Or is that just how they act in London ?[/[/color]quote]
[color=red]BigFluffyMatthew, do you think that a lack of moderators here will lead to people calling each other cnts all the time? Why presume that a lack of moderation will lead to posters resorting to verbal attacks. And yes, in London, as in most other places, one could take a dump in the street or call people cnts, but they would be deemed crazy and shunned by that society. That’s most likely what would happen here. Even with moderation, wouldn’t you agree that you already have opinions about who you do and don’t prefer engaging with here? Don’t we avoid people we don’t like naturally? Wouldn’t the decent majority squeeze out the troublemakers? Does it really take cyber-police to do that for us? [/color]
[color=blue]It isn’t a question of not being able to say what one likes. Although I remind you that freedom of speech is a Human Right. It is a question of having one’s posts judged by some ‘higher anonymous power’ who deems them off-topic and having them moved and given ‘off-colour’ titles. (A point which HAS been raised before.) In one persons opinion I am on topic, and in another persons opinion I am off-topic. The moderator gets to have the final say. We didn’t democratically elect these moderators, so it’s fair to say they don’t represent the wishes of the posters. They represent the wishes of the owner. Is that fair? Are we democratic, or are we posting in a dictotorship? [/color]
And I question your desire to challenge people who post feedback using the tone you have used.
AAF: If this is indeed a community then it should have democratically elected leaders, and rules which are open to questioning and change.
[quote=“Josefus”]I can understand why old Tom is pissed.
Was there really a need to chop his post out?
I don’t think so.[/quote]Maybe you can explain a few things to me then, like mainly why can’t be an adult about it ? Why can’t he ask nicely that I’ll be put back ? Why is society better without rules ? What’s so bad about PC, and what’s so wonderful about sexism, racism and violence (the opposite of PC) ?
[quote=“Big Fluffy Matthew”][quote=“Josefus”]I can understand why old Tom is pissed.
Was there really a need to chop his post out?
I don’t think so.[/quote]Maybe you can explain a few things to me then, like mainly why can’t be an adult about it ? Why can’t he ask nicely that I’ll be put back ? Why doesn’t he understand that any society needs rules ? What’s so bad about PC, and what’s so wonderful about sexism, racism and violence (the opposite of PC) ?[/quote]
I could explain a few things if what you’re talking about had anything to do with his post in question.
Was is sexist? racist? violent? Un-PC in any kind of way?
No.
[quote=“Big Fluffy Matthew”][quote=“Josefus”]I can understand why old Tom is pissed.
Was there really a need to chop his post out?
I don’t think so.[/quote]Maybe you can explain a few things to me then, like mainly why can’t be an adult about it ? Why can’t he ask nicely that I’ll be put back ? Why is society better without rules ? What’s so bad about PC, and what’s so wonderful about sexism, racism and violence (the opposite of PC) ?[/quote]
What is your beef? My post was removed, given a pithy title, and hung out to dry. it wasn’t even locked, or deleted, so it is open to public scorn. Thanks for doing that to me. Sorry I didn’t act like a gentleman about it.
And now sexism, racism and violence are being brought in? It was an obscure post, in response to tmwc.
[quote=“Josefus”]I could explain a few things if what you’re talking about had anything to do with his post in question.
Was is sexist? racist? violent? Un-PC in any kind of way?
No.[/quote]I can’t be bothered to explain it again you wouldn’t understand right and wrong anyway, you’re being as obtuse as the IP, read his post.
[quote=“Big Fluffy Matthew”][quote=“Josefus”]I could explain a few things if what you’re talking about had anything to do with his post in question.
Was is sexist? racist? violent? Un-PC in any kind of way?
No.[/quote]I can’t be bothered to explain it again you wouldn’t understand right and wrong anyway, you’re being as obtuse as the IP, read his post.[/quote]
Nice. Moderator Matthew slurs Josefus.
[quote=“TomHill”]Nice. Moderator Matthew slurs Josefus.[/quote]Are you censoring me ? Fascist !
PS. I’m coming round to take a dump in your living room and beat up your missus, the ugly cunt. You wouldn’t want to moderate me now would you ? that would be too PC.
[quote=“Big Fluffy Matthew”][quote=“TomHill”]Nice. Moderator Matthew slurs Josefus.[/quote]Are you censoring me ? Fascist !
PS. I’m coming round to take a dump in your living room and beat up your missus, the ugly cunt. You wouldn’t want to moderate me now would you ? that would be too PC.[/quote]
Matthew, what I wouldn’t now do is take your above post, move it to the temporary forum, call it ‘BFM looses the plot’ and then leave it there.
However, I could probably ask for you to be suspended, as within your own rules you have written something pretty nasty and offensive. My OP is a far cry from that. I don’t see my post as racist, or inciting violence, or being vulgar.
Me ? Offensive ? Not by you standards.
There never was a plot. Who wants a curry ?
[quote=“Big Fluffy Matthew”]Me ? Offensive ? Not by you standards.
There never was a plot. Who wants a curry ?[/quote]
If we imagine there are no moderators here, then my response to your points is to label you as ‘weird’ and give you a wide berth in future. No biggy there.
The whole ‘moderator’ culture gives this forum the very fuel it needs to start a fire it wishes to avoid. (Temp that if you can’t understand its meaning.)
Just cos something is working ‘so-so’ doesn’t mean we should keep papering over the cracks. I’m with Caesar. The republic doesn’t serve the people, it serves itself.
Because that is exactly what happened in the old days when this site first started. The rules didn’t come out of a vacuum but out of the real need to clean this place up so that it served more to help the foreign community and less to provide an outlet for nutcases and feuds. It used to be 50-50. Now it’s 90-10. I’ll take a little moderation in exchange for a better community and threads that are not 10% content and 90% bullshit and personal attacks. So will most.
[quote]
The moderator gets to have the final say. We didn’t democratically elect these moderators, so it’s fair to say they don’t represent the wishes of the posters. They represent the wishes of the owner. Is that fair? Are we democratic, or are we posting in a dictotorship? [/quote]
No, this place is not democratic. Why are you having such a hard time seeing that and coming to terms with it? It is owned by someone who has the right to impose his personal strandards on the place. Thank god those standards include decency and civility.
[quote=“TomHill”]I don’t see my post as racist, or inciting violence, or being vulgar.[/quote]And I never said it was. In fact, it was you who started complaining about my action being “PC”. I found that a curious use of the term then but didn’t think it worth mentioning.
The sponge/squid metaphor was an interesting one but I wondered why it had to be buried under so much other stuff. I rather hoped that when I encouraged you to repost you’d make the same point but more clearly. Instead of that you made half your point only.
I suppose the most positive thing I could have done in response to your post would be to encourage you to elaborate on the part of it which was possibly not meant facetiously. Instead I temped it, thinking “Why on earth can’t he just say what he means so we can all have a better discussion.” We live and learn.
But I still think that making someone’s post temporary, and retitling it in an attempt to make it clear why it was temped, is not the most terrible thing in the world. I’m never too bothered when it happens to me, provided that I can see some kind of justification such as off-topicness. And I don’t really have the time or the inclination to continue discussing the issue, so unless anyone has anything startlingly new to say, I’ll bow out of this particular discussion and leave you all to it.
And while Forumosa isn’t a democracy, you can always contact Maoman for a final “adjudication”, if you like.
Nicely said, Muzha Man!
This isn’t a democracy. How on earth could it possibly be so? Are we to make all posters contribute some coin based on their word count/# of posts per day, in order to cover the costs of running the site? It’s rather absurd to think of this website as a democracy. :s
That said, it’s reasonable to assume that both posters & mods have a right to complain about how things are run. However, it’s the responsibility of those complaining to provide a frame of reference for the rest of us who don’t follow their every post. This happens all the time. Some specific contextual information would be helpful, rather than just an open-ended rant about censorship and maintaining a post’s integrity.
Often much work can be accomplished thru discreet & timeful use of the pm. Or else the slagging match that often ensues in threads such as this one.
It’s preposterous the way some posters carry on about how ‘their’ posts are not to be enfringed upon. Rather like spoiled and emotionally challenged literatti. As if posting was an art, and they’re an artist. Bleating on like ‘their’ words are ‘theirs’ alone. Not much community spirit there, eh?
Once you post on this, and indeed any forum or ‘have you say’ websites, any idea of someone (from the site or forum in question) not being able to edit it is absurd in the extreme. Human nature often being not very comfortable with self-moderation as a universal and practical principle. Especially with the smoke & mirrors of the faceless social interaction that takes place on the internet.
Of course, this is all just my own opinion.
Tom brother dude, wtf are you on about?
Do you pay taxes? I don’t know which post got chopped but why not take it up wit the mod in question? Or admin? Why the need to cuss out the whole site? Tsk tsk.
You want no mods? Go to IP. Once there look at how many posters have been suspended. We need more chaos?
:raspberry:
BTW, do they still put porno adverts in the phone booths in Londanistan? 
Tom wrote:
That’s the way it should be. Equal rights should go hand-in-hand with equal responsibilities though, but the majority of humanity is reactive, not proactive. One in a thousand will think of taking the responsibility of being an administrator or a moderator, but every Dick, Tom and Harry feels he/she has a right to use and abuse the product of another person’s labour.