i think Taiwan is a part of China! Taiwan is part of China’s consecrate territory!!!
Would you like to tell us why ? You’re not very convincing so far.
I think so. I think that it is a fact.
Many people in the world are still holding the wrong idea that TaiWan doesn’t belong to China. Here ,i just want to clarify some truths:
(1)though TaiWan was once under the control of Japan, but japanese must put down their ambitions of Taiwan.
(2) the abruption of mainland and Taiwan is temporary, no one can stop the reunification ,just as no one can stop the earth going round the sun.
(3) the Taiwan problem is the chinese people’s own business , other foreigners don’t have any rights to intervene it, just as you don’t have the right to intervene your neighbour’s sexual problem.
(4)from the people in mainland, to the oversea chinese, all of them agree with the reunification strongly.
(5) if you want to say that “the Taiwan problem should be settle in a democratic way ,let the TaiWanese make their own decision”, but i would ask ,what is democracy? if you want democracy,why don’t you let all the chinese people make a decision about Taiwan ,this is the majority democracy ,the real democracy; your so-called democracy is the minority democracy,the fake democracy.
(6) Chinese people are one of the wisest peoples in the world , they have their own wisdom to settle the Taiwan problem in a perfect way, and they are trying to find ways such as “one country,two social system” policy.
SO , TAIWAN BELONGS TO CHINA, IS UNSEPARATABLE PART OF PRC.!!!
I disagree. China doers not officially recognize any religion, so I’m sure that they would not recognize the sacred purpose of Taiwan. You need to choose a better word than consecrate. :beatnik:
Please don’t type in caps. it’s very rude. Second of all, your above statement is a non-sequitur - China and the PRC are two different concepts. China has been around for thousands of years, the PRC for 55. It’s arguable that Taiwan should be considered part of China, but it is ridiculous to suggest that Taiwan is part of the PRC. The PRC is helpless when it comes to Taiwan. They can’t even keep a Fujian hooker here legally, never mind a garrison of troops. The PRC has never received one tax dollar from Taiwan. The PRC dreams of controlling Taiwan, but so far it is an unfulfilled dream. Stick with the facts, bucko. 
(Yes, I’m laughing at you!)
Perhaps you need to do a review of history. I know that the typical “Chinese habit” is to ignore the terms and conditions of any contracts they don’t like . . . . . . however, I suggest that you don’t do that if you want to understand the truth of Taiwan’s current international situation . . . . . . and remember that internationally speaking, signed and ratified treaties are binding . . . . . .
The two highest ranking specifications of international agreements in regard to the status of Taiwan are described as follows –
First, you will want to note that Taiwan was ceded to Japan in 1895. That treaty was signed by China’s representative and ratified by the Qing Emperor. It is 100% valid.
Next, you will want to note that Japan renounced all claim, right, and title to Taiwan in the treaty signed after WWII, which came into effect in April 1952. However, Taiwan was not given to the Republic of China. Hence, any PRC claims over Taiwan which rest on a “successor government theory” are invalid . . . . . because Taiwan wasn’t given to the Republic of China after Japan renounced it! (The Sino-Japanese Peace Treaty which came into effect in August 1952 merely restates the provision of the earlier treaty mentioned above.)
CONCLUSION: Taiwan is NOT Apart of China’s consecrate territory!!!
I hope that this brief analysis clarifies any confusion you may have had . . . . .
Taiwan is a unique state, that has a constitution & founding government that was the government of the “Republic of China”. That government was usurped from power by the CCP & retreated to Taiwan. They have never set up another country, they have not (yet dared) declare independence, and both the People’s Republic of CHINA and the Republic of CHINA have their roots, identity & recognition with the word “CHINA”.
Does anyone know the chinese for ‘humility’?
They have never “set up another country” because they haven’t needed to. The Communists forced them to relocate the capital of the RoC - the RoC hasn’t ceased to exist at any time since its inception in 1911. Why would they “set up another country” when the country they set up in 1911 is still working just fine? And why would they declare independence? Independence from whom? The RoC government was the legitmate government of China when the CCP were on their way up, right? If anything, the PRC government should declare independence from the RoC.
Well that certainly settles it for me! If flyrain says Taiwan is a part of China then it must be so! 
taiwan is a military protectorate of the US to be returned to ceded to china after someone, anyone in china can read/understand the international treaties that have time and again decided taiwan’s fate with zero imput from the people on the island.
until that far-off day happens, the CCP shall continue to bang the TAIWAN drum in hope of glossing over all the bigger, more pressing problems the mainland has which the CCP no longer has the gumption to rectify. ignore the tens of millions homeless. ignore the orphanages teeming with baby girls who are sold to the highest bidders. ignore the prison factories where young women buy jobs with the fruits of their prostitution. ignore the corrupt banking/accounting. ignore the mountains of bad debt. ignore the desert advancing on beijing. ignore the dearth of water. ignore the rural AIDS explosion. ignore the separatists in the north, northwest, west, south and southwest. ignore the lack of a free press. ignore internet blackouts of any site that dares to strive for the truth.
china has scores of problems more pressing than taiwan. why the focus on problem number 499 out of 500?
here’s hoping you are cognizant that the anniversary of the tiannamen square massacre just happened. here’s also hoping that every mainlander could come visit taiwan and look and see and be given a choice as to where they would rather have their children come of age, i.e. Henan or Hunan ot Taiwan.
the mainland should learn from taiwan how to lift a population out of poverty in one generation. study and emulation not jingoistic assimilation.
I disagree. China doers not officially recognize any religion, so I’m sure that they would not recognize the sacred purpose of Taiwan. You need to choose a better word than consecrate. :beatnik:[/quote]
Funnily enough, Chinese propaganda often uses the term “sacred” (shensheng 神聖) - it seems quite inappropriate coming from mostly atheist communists.
wait, wait…so your saying the CCP is not the legitimate govenment of china. the real government is the ROC which retreated to taiwan. of course that government for all intents and purposes died when taiwan held its first democratic election. (who’s president now?) so democracy usurped the old ROC government which usurped the CCP. that means china belongs to taiwan!
how do you spell T-R-O-L-L? 
Granted that there is no need for the governing authorities on Taiwan to declare independence from the PRC, since Taiwan is not part of the PRC, and never has been . . . . . . . HOWEVER, the statement that “the RoC hasn’t ceased to exist at any time since its inception in 1911” is incorrect. In 1911, Taiwan was not a part of the RoC, and the post WWII treaty did not give the sovereignty of Taiwan to the RoC, HENCE the Republic of China government in Taiwan is simply a goverment in exile . . . . . with effective territorial control over certain geographic areas where it does not possess sovereignty.
Essentially correct.
Well, the question should then be how to make it part of China’s territory.
I suggest you first get some really strong people (they have to be really tall too because they would have to stand on the sea floor) and get them to push Taiwan close to the Mainland. I don’t suggest using Chinese folks because half of them would be on the other side of the island pushing the other way because, they would say, that is how their great-great-great-great-great-great grandfathers did it. You would also have to get someone with a PhD in island moving to to supervise because some of the pushers would want to push Taiwan to the Mainland via the Panama canal. Why? Because it doesn’t make any sense.
Then you get this really big staple gun. I mean, really really big. You would need to get a professional island stapler to oversee the operation because some folks would just want to tape it together.
I really think it would work, flyrain. You should check into it.
How about just an underground tunnel? Or a long, giant bridge? Or maybe they could reclaim the strait and fill it with cement?
Well Flicka, those are good ideas but we would have to consider the following:
1.) The Pan Tie-dye Golden Happiness Alliance of Macao insists that Taiwan be stapled to the mainland in the waters north of Macao, between Macao and Hong Kong.
2.) The Pan Lavender Young Turks of Patriotic Greater China insists that Taiwan be taped to the mainland in the waters south of Hong Kong, between Hong Kong and Macao.
Both sides insist they will not budge from their respective positions. The staplers are accusing the tapers of being splittist (tape does that after a while), while the tapers are accusing the staplers of being reactionary hole makers. Though they both agree that both tape and staples are Chinese inventions. Though the two factions have discussed cementing the Taiwan Strait, they have issued a joint statement declaring that option unreasonable as, “hey man, that’s just too much work”.
How is my comment incorrect? Sure, they had no sovereignty over Taiwan prior to relocation, but you could say the RoC government essentially annexed Taiwan upon arrival, just as they had all the rest of their territory seized. And even if you don’t agree with that, the RoC has continued to exist in some form since 1911, right?
Moderator’s note:
People, please, let’s not let a perfectly silly thread get hijacked by another Taiwan status / SFPT / whatever line. 
So if Taiwan IS Chinese territory…then why isn’t it governed by the PRC? Surely any Chinese would be free to travel to his own territory without visas or a passport. If it is Chinese territory based on succession of states then China belongs to Mongolia…or Japan…or the people of Africa who, according to one theory of human migration, came out of Africa and settled Asia and the rest of the world. Oh the details.
If I were a nationalistic Chinese, I’d be asking my government questions on why our own territory is so foreign, has it’s own government , military, border, population and can enter into agreements with other nations. Wow! I would also ask my government why we must terrorize our own people with ballistic missiles as if they were student activists. I would also want to know what my 5000 years of continual history has done for me lately. Yup! A 5000 year old, ten foot long, flacid penis. It looks impressive, but what are you going to do with it.