I want your obscene photos (of a certain sort)

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I’m looking for some photos (or videos) of real, ordinary people in the act of “flipping the bird,” “giving s.b. the finger,” “flipping/flicking s.b. off,” doing the “highway salute,” the “Trudeau salute” (in Canada) or whatever it’s most righteously called.

Most useful would be pictures of friends using it without being visibly angry. If it’s you or someone you know and are willing to share the identity (ARC numbers anyone?) that would be extra sweet.

This, in case you can’t guess, is for my trial.

I suppose, if you happen to find an especially good celebrity flick-off shot, you could post that too, but I’m doing fine collecting these myself. However, I’m still looking for a good copy of the infamous Pierre Elliot Trudeau saluteto the press.

So far, the best sources are Lady Gaga and Avril LaVigne. And of course some ex-presidents and even Obama giving the “sneaky finger” where you pretend you’re scratching an itch. And this classic:

(which probably wouldn’t help my case.) :smiley:

Final note: The Cee Lo Green video is already in da house, so :cactus: .

Thanks, in advance, all you muthas.

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iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2010/ … reans-off/

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My wife is doing very well. Check this out:

I think that’s like 4 of the 10 most famous living people in India, right there.

And check out the Ma Ying-jeou beauty on the other thread.

And thanks Bones. That might well come in handy.

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I’ll see if I can get permission from all my exes to forward theirs . . .

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Bobby Valentine

Harry Reid

Johnny Cash

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I’m not sure outlaw Dennis Hopper is what you have in mind.

So how about the prez?

Or a nun?

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edit: I read above, and you already have the ones I posted (US presidents), but I would like to add that you should emphasize you were doing it to the camera, not doing it to the person, as a reaction to the act of taking your photo-like many others on the internet…and that you wouldn’t actually say or do that to an old woman if there wasn’t a camera poking in your face.

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Aww, heck. This is kinda fun isn’t it? Let’s just say anything goes, but maybe try to respect the bandwidth and shrink huge photos before posting them (or use the thumbnail option at Imageshack.us).

Regarding presidents, I’ve got GWB and Obama (3X), and ex-VP Rockefeller, but there must be more. I haven’t even looked for non-US or Canadian leaders yet.

I did look for Justin Beiber doing it. Nope. That boy is just too pure.

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Someone probably posted this already in the other thread, but here’s some more “evidence” for you.

[quote]Flipping “the Bird” is Constitutionally Protected Speech

So ruled U.S. District Judge David Circone on Monday (PDF), but this is apparently a fairly settled question.

Here, the plaintiff, David Hackbart, was parallel parking at a meter along a city street when another car approached from behind. That car’s driver then pulled partially into the metered parking spot, thus preventing Hackbart from pulling into the spot. The other driver then refused to move, so Hackbart flipped him the middle finger.

This was witnessed by a passing police officer who then told Hackbart, “Don’t flip him off.” Well, Hackbart then flipped off the police officer too. So the police officer pulled him over and cited him for disorderly conduct. Hackbart fought it and now a federal judge says the police officer violated Hackbart’s First Amendment speech right.

Moreover, several courts, including federal and state courts in Pennsylvania, have found that the expressive use of the middle finger is protected speech under the First Amendment. See, e.g., Sandul v. Larion, 119 F.3d 1250, 1255 (6th Cir. 1997)(Use of the words “f–k you” by driver while extending his middle finger to a group of protestors was clearly speech entitled to First Amendment protection); Duran v. City of Douglas, 904 F.2d 1372, 1378 (9th Cir. 1990)(Directing a series of expletives and an obscene hand gesture at police officer represented an expression of disapproval toward the officer, and therefore, falls within the protective umbrella of the First Amendment); Nichols v. Chacon, 110 F. Supp. 2d 1099, 1102 (W.D. Ark. 2000)(giving someone the finger is protected speech); Brockway v. Shepherd, 942 F.Supp. 1012, 1015 (M.D. Pa. 1996)(gesture with middle finger toward a police officer is protected speech and not obscene under the Pennsylvania disorderly conduct statute); see also Commonwealth v. Kelly, 758 A.2d 1284, 1288 (Pa. Super. 2000)(same).[/quote]
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True, but it is very well established in Taiwan (and other civil law jurisdictions) that insulting speech, especially speech that incites violence, is not protected speech. They think that the benefits of sanctioning this kind of speech outweighs the harm to freedom of speech caused by banning it. I strongly disagree, but I can see how someone might think that.

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It’s also well established many of the countries that maintain strict enforcement of their insult laws use it to shut down dissent and to clam up journalists and opposition politicians, to claim “insult” where criticism was the clear intent. I’m requesting the updated 2010 report from the World Press Freedom Committee (wpfc.org/?q=node/448):

The more I read about this from a variety of sources, the more it’s clear that the few developed, democratic nations that actually maintain insult laws on the books do so with an enormous amount of caveats and restrictions. Add in the European Court of Human Rights and the rather tight restrictions it places on the interpretation of insult laws as a further way of looking at all those European codes that may still have something “on the books”. In most countries where insult charges are pursued casually, the insult laws are the legacy of autocratic or dictatorial regimes. My guess is that the current Taiwan criminal code provisions pertaining to the insult laws have not been changed much since the martial-law “white terror” period, as indicated by the penalty being in “yuan” old-school language. The insult law doesn’t have so much to do with the legislature or even the Taiwanese people codifying their sincere beliefs and perhaps a whole lot more with giving officials a way to shut up the citizenry. And so while in this modern time the “public insult” laws are not now used commonly to abuse the human rights of opposition politicians or journalists, past enforcement appears to indicate an arbitrariness and some elements of harassment in usage by private parties against one another.

I’d say it’s time for an upgrade to the law, but it’s a legal problem in search of a constituency in that I don’t think anybody is going to camp out in front of the LY to stand up for the right to spout insults unless there are a whole lot of lunch boxes, seats, free rain ponchos and pocket warmers handed out.

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Actually, Article 309 has remained unchanged since the Criminal Code took effect in 1935!

Taiwan doesn’t use its public insult laws to stifle dissent and opposition though. Of course it could, and that’s a very good reason to change it.

I have informally polled a few Taiwanese friends about this. They all expressed surprise that I would question the law. They all thought it was a good idea. So I think it does reflect social values to a certain extent.

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That’s very interesting, Feiren. Thanks for the disinterested input.

When I first came here, I was struck by the fact that the majority of the citizens of this country seemed, well, wimpy, for lack of a better word. The thought of Taiwanese soldiers standing up to the Chinese counterpart, should it ever come to that, seemed almost laughable.

Since then I’ve learned there are a lot of tough people here too, but perhaps my observation then is related to the acceptance of such a law. I’d say it goes back to a paternalistic state, where the government and its extensions tell you how you should feel. As a teacher, I am amazed how readily even older and stronger kids will go running to tell the teacher when a classmate’s behavior or aggression offends them. When I explain to them such “sissy” behavior would lead to them getting repeatedly beat up in Canada or most any Western country, they just look confused.

Hopefully, things are changing. My wife says there is a nascent T-shirt campaign with raised middle fingers on the shirts and a slogan something like, “It’s OK to give the finger, but not to block ambulances.” (reference)

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Jay Chou

Vice President Nelson Rockefeller

Charles “Old Hoss” Radbourn, nineteenth-century baseball player

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Thanks C.J. You’re awesome.

My good friend just posted this on FaceBook, and I just gotta…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJKA8us6k4k&feature=player_embedded#at=32

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You’re welcome.

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The caption says he’s a ‘wickid hahdass’ now.
thesuperficial.com/ben-affle … ow-01-2011

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Won’t help your case at all, but let’s just say that everyone’s doing it.

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My daughter, almost 10 hours after she was born at home. Subtle, but classy. She is 11 today! :heart:

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this one made the news in the Uk recently, a BBC weatherman giving the bird to the anchors on air. He was demoted though, best not to mention that. But he is smiling :thumbsup: