I will Never Understand the Taiwanese

I admit it. I’ve been living in Taiwan for almost 5 years and I am more confused and frustrated now about their “culture”, than I was a year after moving here from Korea.

As I write this post, a temple party is in full swing less than 100 meters from my apartment. It started this morning at 8 am and today is Sunday. It started with a series of explosions, much louder than your average fireworks. Lucky me I thought. :notworthy:

After living in this apartment for two years, the parade route that was out on the main drag, not far from my house, was inexplicably moved so the monthly parade would wind its way through the narrow alley in which I live, making the parade come right past my front door. These are all-day parades mind you. And with people making as much noise as possible with their “instruments.”

I just don’t understand how this is relaxing for these people. I will never understand, actually. And this is after looking into the cultural aspect of a temple party. And why move the parade route into a narrow alley? Where far more people are affected and is distinctly residential and no room for spectators?

It’s ironic that my landlord told me not to worry about any restaurant noise or speaker trucks near my apartment. She failed to mention the temple parties. It’s no fault of hers. The Taiwanese are desensitised to noise. They simply don’t hear it. Ever rode your scooter up behind a Taiwanese? They don’t hear it until you beep your horn.

When I saw a temple party or parade, I used to ask people (Taiwanese) what the parade/party was all about? They had no idea what I was talking about. They didn’t see or hear it until I pointed it out. And then they would have no idea why there was a parade on a Sunday, the worst time of the week for traffic. Funny how the Taiwanese have managed to squeeze almost everything into a Sunday. :loco:

The parades and parties aside, I firmly believe the so called “kindness and friendliness” of the TW is overstated. Although there is some truth to this as there is in almost any culture or country, the TW have a big problem with manners and social ettiquette. The habit they have of getting up from their table, reaching across your table, and subsequently your dinner plate, in a restaurant and helping themselves to a napkin or sauce that’s on your table is rude. They don’t even look at you or smile and say excuse me. Since when is this friendly and kind?

Another thing that never ceases to amaze me is they never move until they see you coming. This morning I pulled up to a Family Mart and there were two cab drivers there. One was sitting, the other standing. As I approached from a very visible angle, the standing cabbie moved right in front of me blocking my path to the door so he could talk to the other cabbie. Of course he couldn’t wait a moment, because he just didn’t see me, nor did he care. This is thoughtless.

You could be halfway through a purchase at the convenience store and in walks a TW, barking demands, oblivious the clerk is serving you. Maybe they see you and don’t care. We’ll never know. If you tell them to wait a moment, they look at you like you’re crazy. Why wait?

This morning I heard a man out in my alley talking so loud I swore it was a amplified voice talking through a microphone. Nope. Just another TW talking on his cellphone loud enough to let the entire block know what he was talking about. He was so loud that I had to go out and politely ask him to be quiet. This is inconsiderate.

Of course these things are not unique. They are part of this society and all of us must tolerate it if we want to live here. I made my bed and I am sleeping in it, albeit uncomfortably. And I do make an effort to remind myself that this is their culture, not mine. I’ll just never understand it. :help

good chance to blast stereo at top volume without having anyone complain about the noisy foreigner, lol.

You forgot to mention the inability to close doors.

I was in a restaurant today and a local guy went out onto the balcony accompanied by a western lady. He left the door open behind him and she gestured at it then reached around him to slide it 3/4 closed. This was as far as she could manage easily. He looked at what she was doing, then sat down next to the part open door and started talking - not even acknowledging that she had just tried the door or that there was anything important about that.

A few days ago I was in the sauna at the pool. I actually counted how many times the door was left open to a room whose sole purpose is to be insulated from everywhere else - 7 times, for a total of 10 people.

I think that very often Taiwanese people really don’t notice other people unless forced to do so. There certainly seems to be no shortage of people who will try and walk through you as you exit the MRT. Strange.

It’s selfishness. Full stop.

I admit the first time I went to a sauna in Hamburg fresh off the plane from TAiwan, I left the door open !! :smiley:

Taiwanese live in a densepack society. You have to become less aware of things to stay focused on whats important. The American zone of close proximity is about ten feet. They are “forced” to acknowledge your presence by that distance it seems. But in Taiwan , thats about six inches. Try driving at 20mph up to pedestrians about to cross a crosswalk in America. They will either shoot you or scatter if you dont stop by about 15 feet away from the crosswalk. But in TAiwan, people just cross without a second glance (which I think is unsafe mind you). YOu can zoom right up to a crosswalk in taiwan without spooking anyone.

Reaching across a table in front of you isnt considered rude. They do it, why dont you do the same. Just adopt whatever they do. Its great. Just remember to defrag your mental hdd upon arrival back in “the rest of the world”.

You are on PLANET TAIWAN. Behave accordingly.

TW: No less “polite” than the other China.

But both significanlty more polite than HK.

HG

Ain’t that the truth. They’re extremely polite on the mainland, especially when they’re trying to sell you a 100 year old Qing dynasty antique that’s made of plastic and has a “Made in China” sticker at the bottom.

Ain’t that the truth. They’re extremely polite on the mainland, especially when they’re trying to sell you a 100 year old Qing dynasty antique that’s made of plastic and has a “Made in China” sticker at the bottom.[/quote]

Reminds me of the scene in Peter Weir’s Australian movie, Gallipoli, when the soldiers get ripped off in Cairo by a bazaar dealer selling fake antiques. While I was watching that movie in Caanakale, Turkey, and having just come from Egypt, I thought to myself “nothing has changed one bit.” Same goes for Chinese antique dealers on the mainland. :laughing:

To the OP, man, looks like you are ripe for a change of scenery…

I’m also at that point after living here for 6 years and I’m leaving this Sunday for a stint in Korea. I don’t expect it to be wonderland, but at least it’s going to be different, and I won’t understand a word of what people say around me! And the in-laws will be far far away…

Just knowing I’m leaving, and all the rudeness you were posting about already seems more bearable! The lack of spatial sensory cognition is still amazing though. I’m still puzzled by it!

Like other posters said, TW are like that, love it or hate it, we can’t change them! They sure won’t change their ways for us! Actually, why should they? I’m sure you ran into the odd Taiwanese that studied/lived overseas for a few years, is back, and can’t take all the rudeness anymore!!!

[quote=“Loretta”]You forgot to mention the inability to close doors.

I was in a restaurant today and a local guy went out onto the balcony accompanied by a western lady. He left the door open behind him and she gestured at it then reached around him to slide it 3/4 closed. This was as far as she could manage easily. He looked at what she was doing, then sat down next to the part open door and started talking - not even acknowledging that she had just tried the door or that there was anything important about that.

A few days ago I was in the sauna at the pool. I actually counted how many times the door was left open to a room whose sole purpose is to be insulated from everywhere else - 7 times, for a total of 10 people.

I think that very often Taiwanese people really don’t notice other people unless forced to do so. There certainly seems to be no shortage of people who will try and walk through you as you exit the MRT. Strange.[/quote]

They seem to be born with out a sense of spatial-social awareness. Its the same on the footpath or how people will stop to talk to each other at the front of an exit / escalator, and then when I angrily point this out to them, they act as if I’m the rude one. I swear I’ll throw the next person down the escalator.

You also have to realize that alot of the average Taiwanese (especially cabbies) comes from a low class background who tends to have no concept of politeness… alot of my relatives are very polite, but that’s cause we come from a military background…

The only reason they do these stupid temple parades is because they’re superstitious or something or that temples are controlled by the mafia. I think they tried to pass laws about sound trucks but it got squashed…

No, they truly are the most sincere and warmest people I know…when they’re friends. They are also the rudest, when they’re strangers.

The fucking chickens feet for breakfast, the shitty roads, wankerish transient ex-pats, the shit they call a sausage, Danshui, the joke that is ‘gainful’ employment, man there are a lot of things in Taiwan worse than the noise and the rudeness!

[quote=“tommy525”]
Taiwanese live in a densepack society. You have to become less aware of things to stay focused on whats important.
You are on PLANET TAIWAN. Behave accordingly.[/quote]

The Japanese are also packed in pretty tightly and I don’t recall them acting like total jerk-faced wankers.

[quote=“TomHill”][quote=“tommy525”]
Taiwanese live in a densepack society. You have to become less aware of things to stay focused on whats important.
You are on PLANET TAIWAN. Behave accordingly.[/quote]

The Japanese are also packed in pretty tightly and I don’t recall them acting like total jerk-faced wankers.[/quote]
This is so true. I arrived in Japan after being in Taiwan for five years. Some of the differences, though seemingly insignificant, are nonetheless stark. At one shop, a clerk who was stocking shelves actually looked behind at me and moved out of the way. I was so shocked at the simple gesture, I just had to marvel for a while at the fact that my presence and inertia was recognized in public by a stranger.

No, they truly are the most sincere and warmest people I know…when they’re friends. They are also the rudest, when they’re strangers.[/quote]
It’s possible to be sincere and warm and still lacking in manners. And I concur with wonder’s assessment - most Taiwanese people lack etiquette, even when they’re friends. And when they’re strangers, it’s even worse.

shoulda left taiwan to japan then it would just be japan

[quote=“Maoman”]
It’s possible to be sincere and warm and still lacking in manners. And I concur with wonder’s assessment - most Taiwanese people lack etiquette, even when they’re friends. And when they’re strangers, it’s even worse.[/quote]

It’s also possible to behave within the bounds of etiquette and to have nice manners while being cold, rude and unfriendly or downright combative. The British social structure is built on this kind of disparity.

‘Manners’ are not the same in different cultures. A northern English person would NEVER push you or crowd your personal space or be loud and ostentatious. Does that mean they are never rude? Of course not.

[quote=“Buttercup”][quote=“Maoman”]
It’s possible to be sincere and warm and still lacking in manners. And I concur with wonder’s assessment - most Taiwanese people lack etiquette, even when they’re friends. And when they’re strangers, it’s even worse.[/quote]

It’s also possible to behave within the bounds of etiquette and to have nice manners while being cold, rude and unfriendly or downright combative. The British social structure is built on this kind of disparity.

‘Manners’ are not the same in different cultures. A northern English person would NEVER push you or crowd your personal space or be loud and ostentatious. Does that mean they are never rude? Of course not.[/quote]

I am not sure its about manners. For me consideration of other people is important, and I know this applies to Irish people, and to other cultures also. I will not jump the queue in the 711, talk across someone, obstruct an entire footpath happily walking along, hold the elevator door open in a full elevator for a minute while my indecisive friend tries to decide whether he will come in or not.

If someone did this to me, I would consider it disrespectful and inconsiderate. I have manners and mannerism that make me behave certain ways in certain situations (saying thank you, opening the door for someone etc). I can be in disagreement or cold with someone, but I still show respect. I can be dilberatley rude to someone, but I would be aware of this

Maybe it’s a culture thing, since such behavior seems not to piss off the Taiwanese, but sometimes I have to bit my tongue when I run into this behavior/culture