If I remember correctly what he told me… She was sitting at a bus stop. An immigration police came up and started to talk with her, nothing threatening and no guns, they never even used handcuffs…. No cool ICE stuff at all…
When Trump was elected he had spoken about deporting all the gang members, however the ICE agents are rejects from all over the place who can’t hold a regular job, but they are not stupid enough to actually try to deport gang members as that is dangerous, so they aim for quiet neighborhoods where their threatening style works
Yes. Multiple times. Been followed to my place of residence as wrll as to my work as well. It happens. Although my friends of other skin tones have had it far worse than me I must admit, especially in certain areas of Taiwan (looking at you, taichung!).
It’s also nice knowing one’s rights whilst also not being emotional when dealing with police. My benefit is i am fluent in english, and laws in taiwan are mostly also publicly available in english. Which is great, use them. More and more, in taiwan, other foreign languages are also available here.
For every 1 dick head cop that insists on his/her ego, I have met a few hundred that would love to have a beer or shoot the shit instead. But that’s not relevant to ICE and the usa. Why piint out how much better taiwan is despite harsher laws
I’m very curious how people who voted for Trump, feel about the current situation of police militarization and the like on the streets. It is different now…surely this isn’t a political issue but an ethical and even a constitutional one. I wonder how the string supporters of such on the ground force are justifying the actions
My point in the comparison between Taiwan and US, is that every country have police that are also looking for illegal immigrants. The difference is how it is done. Guns, violence and handcuffs compared with just asking questions in a civilized manner.
Reason I used Taiwan as the other example is because it’s something all here knows about
Sure, one can lie, always an option. But the police in Taiwan actually have means to check with the immigration database if the info is correct or not….
But of course, when ICE pulls the gun at you, beat you up and handcuff you, then nobody will ever lie, would they? Or would they lie more as scared of getting shot?
There are millions of undocumented immigrants in the U.S. Taiwan has an immigration database because it documents virtually everyone who enters the country.
Honestly, why would you check if they are there illegally? When you can check if they are legal?
US have databases on all citizens and people who have a valid visa and people who are legally in the process of becoming a citizen… If not in those databases, then they are most likely illegal undocumented immigrant…. We are not in the 1970’s US when privacy actually was considered important, nowadays the government have all info available, 9/11 changed lots of things
No, the United States does not have a single, comprehensive database of all citizens. The government has a complex and fragmented system of databases that track individuals for various purposes, but no central list of every citizen exists.
For nearly 250 years, the United States has gone without a list of every one of its citizens. But in less than five months, the Trump administration has built a tool that aims to make one. It was designed in conjunction with the group Elon Musk organized, the Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE. NPR is the first to report on the details of this new tool. One of the reporters on this story is Miles Parks, and he’s here now to tell us more about it. Good morning, Miles.
MILES PARKS, BYLINE: Hey, Michel.
MARTIN: So what is the goal of this new system the administration’s rolling out?
PARKS: It’s designed to verify that only U.S. citizens are on voter rolls, and it’s a major expansion of a tool that already existed within the Department of Homeland Security’s immigration division. It’s called SAVE. It’s been around for decades, but it was initially designed only to check the status of noncitizens who are in the country legally so local governments could decide whether to offer them benefits. About a decade ago, election officials did start using it as well to verify if someone on the voter rolls who had records indicating they were a noncitizen had actually naturalized and become eligible to vote. But now, DHS has expanded this system so it can search for U.S. citizens, too, which really shocked privacy and election experts that we talked to.
MARTIN: OK, so back up just for a minute. I think some people might be surprised to find out that there is not a system up until now to check if somebody is a U.S. citizen. So could you just talk about that?
PARKS: I mean, there has just been a really long history of people on the left - and then I will say, especially on the right - of people not trusting the federal government with this kind of sensitive data in a centralized place.
I know it doesn’t fit QuaShaShao’s narrative, but the sanctuary law in Oregon does NOT state that it is illegal to inquire about someone’s immigration status across the board. It merely says it is not legal to do so if the person has had a law enforcement encounter for some other reason, i.e., you can’t be deported due to your status or lack of it simply because you report a crime, are stopped at a traffic stop, or whatever. Employers are not only permitted but REQUIRED to ascertain an applicant’s legal right to work in the US before hiring. If employers don’t do that, it has nothing to do with sanctuary law. If the government prefers to go after the much more powerless workers than to sanction employers with money for failing to do what is required by law, that’s a completely different problem.
No, employers in Oregon cannot ask about an employee’s immigration status or discriminate based on it. Oregon law prohibits employers from inquiring about a worker’s immigration status or sharing it with enforcement agencies, aligning with the state’s sanctuary laws. While federal law requires employers to verify work authorization through Form I-9, this is a separate process, and Oregon’s state agencies, like the Bureau of Labor and Industries (BOLI), will not ask for this information.
What employers are prohibited from doing
Asking about immigration status: Employers cannot inquire about a worker’s immigration status.
Discriminating based on immigration status: Oregon law prohibits employers from discriminating against workers because of their national origin, which includes immigration status.
Sharing information with enforcement agencies: State agencies, such as BOLI, will not ask about or report an employee’s immigration status to federal enforcement agencies.
The 12 million undocumented/illegal immigrants in the U.S. are, by definition, not working legally. How they manage that is because the I9 “verification process” is just a matter of employers looking at documents the worker provides from a long list of acceptable documents and determining they’re genuine simply by looking at them. With millions of people working illegally in the U.S. it’s also highly unlikely ICE officers will ever show up at their facility to check documents and, given the fact that a three day notice is required before an I9 audit, anyone who used fake documents for employment purposes will likely be long gone by then.
So no one has to verify that an applicant has the legal right to work in the US before employing them? Any state law does not eliminate the fact that employers must verify work rights before hiring. Twist all you want but that’s the way it is.
Also, determining whether documents are genuine or not is not something even the average DHS employee can do. It’s a special, separate training. And immigration fraud is under FDNS, not ICE.
Are you claiming that in Taiwan, people’s documents are actually verified for authenticity rather than just looked at? How is this in any way different? (Pro tip: it’s not.)
Isn’t the word “sanctuary” a gigantic clue as to what’s actually going on here? Hint: it’s not providing sanctuary for people who are working legally.
In Oregon it’s actually illegal for an employer to refuse to hire someone because they’re in the country illegally. In other words, if an employer just happens to find out that an employee is in the country illegally they can’t fire them so long as their I9 paperwork is in order.
