ICRT? Is it a non profit to serve the community? Who owns it? Do we have a stake?

[quote=“wereldomroep”]
Bob Hope’s USO Show in Taiwan from December 17, 1969. This was also broadcast a week later on AFVN (Armed Forces Vietnam Network).

It’s a short clip. The rest of tape is being restored.

radio4all.net/files/kperron@ … r_1969.mp3[/quote]

that’s great! thanks for sharing.

[quote=“wereldomroep”]I have around 100 hours of Armed Forces Taiwan Network or ARTN (pre-ICRT) tapes. Found them 15 years ago. ICRT threw them out and someone called me to pick them up. I’ve already digitized some.

Here is an addition of China Night that was broadcast late nights from June 23, 1968.

radio4all.net/files/kperron@ … 3_1968.mp3

Bob Hope’s USO Show in Taiwan from December 17, 1969. This was also broadcast a week later on AFVN (Armed Forces Vietnam Network).

It’s a short clip. The rest of tape is being restored.

radio4all.net/files/kperron@ … r_1969.mp3[/quote]

wereldomroep, Fantastic. I can’t believe they threw out those treasures. Of course I can. Some of the greatest TV shows are at the bottom of the East River. But anyway, you heard of the internet archive? They host a whole mess of classic shows of TV and radio. Please contact their archivists and share the stuff. I’m sure it is public domain by now. Let them pay for storage space. That Ching Chung Ching Chung airbase introduction is priceless…
Please share more with us… Thank you.

Thats nothing. There was also a bunch of Armed Forces Television 16mm prints that were shown here.

I’ve been in negotiations with Armed Forces Network (AFN) for a year now. The copyright on the material ran out in 1976 (the year AFTN closed). But now since I am the owner of the material, AFN no longer own them. I already leased a number of them for a documentary they did on their history. Once all tapes have been digitized I will make them available. But it’s a bit of a slow process. making a digital copy is easy, but because AFN used a very low quality tape most of them need to be baked in special over for a number of hours to re-bind the magnetic particles back onto the tape. Otherwise if you thread them on a deck it peels off.

[quote=“wereldomroep”]I have around 100 hours of Armed Forces Taiwan Network or ARTN (pre-ICRT) tapes. Found them 15 years ago. ICRT threw them out and someone called me to pick them up. I’ve already digitized some.

Here is an addition of China Night that was broadcast late nights from June 23, 1968.

radio4all.net/files/kperron@ … 3_1968.mp3

Bob Hope’s USO Show in Taiwan from December 17, 1969. This was also broadcast a week later on AFVN (Armed Forces Vietnam Network).

It’s a short clip. The rest of tape is being restored.

radio4all.net/files/kperron@ … r_1969.mp3[/quote]

Wow, that is fantastic, awesome stuff. Thank you for caring and preserving.

[quote=“wereldomroep”]Thats nothing. There was also a bunch of Armed Forces Television 16mm prints that were shown here.

I’ve been in negotiations with Armed Forces Network (AFN) for a year now. The copyright on the material ran out in 1976 (the year AFTN closed). But now since I am the owner of the material, AFN no longer own them. I already leased a number of them for a documentary they did on their history. Once all tapes have been digitized I will make them available. But it’s a bit of a slow process. making a digital copy is easy, but because AFN used a very low quality tape most of them need to be baked in special over for a number of hours to re-bind the magnetic particles back onto the tape. Otherwise if you thread them on a deck it peels off.[/quote]

Wow, this stuff is so fascinating, at least for me. I grew up during the nostalgia craze in the 70’s when old time radio was being broadcasted every where. The CBS radio mystery theater was popular and my dad also helped push me in to radio listening by playing hours of reel to reel tapes of the shows he collected over the years. Let’s not mention my dad was a ham radio guy and even had a license to service a commercial radio station though he never used it.

So, that’s why I’m super disappointed at ICRT and I just wish they would finish it off by changing the name. But your stuff is fantastic. Where do you come in? wereldomroep, the handle you use is a new one here. How long have you been here? Are you part of the old radio community? It’s very suspicious that you knew when to go and get those tapes and films that were being thrown out. Normally those things are destroyed and the destroyers are proud of their work. I’d love to know more about you if you don’t mind and when and where you will share your treasure trove.

Here’s my wish list… I’d love to see snap shots of daily life. Some radio/TV commericals or PSA. Some local music and related things. Just snaps shots of every day life that would seem strange to us today. Thanks again for the info.

[quote=“Taiwan_Student”][quote=“wereldomroep”]Thats nothing. There was also a bunch of Armed Forces Television 16mm prints that were shown here.

I’ve been in negotiations with Armed Forces Network (AFN) for a year now. The copyright on the material ran out in 1976 (the year AFTN closed). But now since I am the owner of the material, AFN no longer own them. I already leased a number of them for a documentary they did on their history. Once all tapes have been digitized I will make them available. But it’s a bit of a slow process. making a digital copy is easy, but because AFN used a very low quality tape most of them need to be baked in special over for a number of hours to re-bind the magnetic particles back onto the tape. Otherwise if you thread them on a deck it peels off.[/quote]

Wow, this stuff is so fascinating, at least for me. I grew up during the nostalgia craze in the 70’s when old time radio was being broadcasted every where. The CBS radio mystery theater was popular and my dad also helped push me in to radio listening by playing hours of reel to reel tapes of the shows he collected over the years. Let’s not mention my dad was a ham radio guy and even had a license to service a commercial radio station though he never used it.

So, that’s why I’m super disappointed at ICRT and I just wish they would finish it off by changing the name. But your stuff is fantastic. Where do you come in? wereldomroep, the handle you use is a new one here. How long have you been here? Are you part of the old radio community? It’s very suspicious that you knew when to go and get those tapes and films that were being thrown out. Normally those things are destroyed and the destroyers are proud of their work. I’d love to know more about you if you don’t mind and when and where you will share your treasure trove.

Here’s my wish list… I’d love to see snap shots of daily life. Some radio/TV commericals or PSA. Some local music and related things. Just snaps shots of every day life that would seem strange to us today. Thanks again for the info.[/quote]

I’ve been here before, but get bored after a while. Use twitter and facebook more. I was posted here by a station, when we had around 30 staff. That was back in 1997. Now we are down to 2. Myself and my assistant. At the moment the only reason why I’m still here is because I’m the only one willing to stay here for the moment. I know that when I do decide to leave we will be pulling out of the Taiwan completely. Most of our staff want to get posted to Shanghai, Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan or Korea.

I also have a ham license, which I use for work mostly. When I have time I do go on the bands. What is most amusing is my neighbors use to think I worked in intelligence gathering. We do have a monitoring post up in Wulai, but that is only to monitor our signal into China when the Chinese try to jam us.

Can I ask you, and you don’t need to reveal too much about yourself or your organization, why the massive drop in number of employees in Taiwan from 1997? When you had the 30 staff did you need that number for coverage? Was the rise of the Internet also a factor and did other bureaus/offices also have large reductions in staff in other countries?
Did you spend all of the intervening time in Taiwan?

[quote=“wereldomroep”]
I’ve been here before, but get bored after a while. Use twitter and facebook more. I was posted here by a station, when we had around 30 staff. That was back in 1997. Now we are down to 2. Myself and my assistant. At the moment the only reason why I’m still here is because I’m the only one willing to stay here for the moment. I know that when I do decide to leave we will be pulling out of the Taiwan completely. Most of our staff want to get posted to Shanghai, Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan or Korea.

I also have a ham license, which I use for work mostly. When I have time I do go on the bands. What is most amusing is my neighbors use to think I worked in intelligence gathering. We do have a monitoring post up in Wulai, but that is only to monitor our signal into China when the Chinese try to jam us.[/quote]

Hmmm… Large staff reductions…
Broadcasts signal into China susceptible to Jamming
Monitoring station in Wulai.
You most likely be an employee of VOA, ROA or VOT (if you are Swedish?).
Finding out the exact source of my information is hard because I being drown with unrelated results from Google. I seem to remember that there was a large budget cut for VOA and the talent and support staff here in Taiwan, perhaps at BCC whose transmitter sites may have been used were not happy. There were a number of jobs lost.

I can’t find much about a monitor station in Wulai. But I’m sure one of our fellow Forumosas, on a trip to the hot springs, can just find a place with large antennas, knock on the door and find out who owns them. I’m ultra-curious but I live on the south end of Taiwan and I’ve got a family who says I spend too much time on the computer. But I will find out, so I appreciate you telling me, at least privately.
Other Question: If your organization is producing stuff that the Chinese Government may not want known, how come the Chinese are permitting your organization to work in China? Would your organization loose any freedom by choosing to work there? Can the Chinese influence your productions?

You’re a Ham too. Great! But do you operate in Taiwan. If you do, you are rare. There are a large number of Ham Radio operators from Japan who hold licenses here but that’s because they can read Chinese and pass the test with no problem. For about ten years or so, anyone with an ARC can get a Ham Radio License. The test in in Chinese. I mean really in Chinese! No international symbols or like E=IXR or Ω. Every thing is spelled out in Chinese.
I know one of the Westerners who got his license. He referred to himself as 1 of 10. The guy I am referring to is BX7AAH. He has some entertaining public posts about becoming a ham here. I can’t find the exact article now.
I’d really like to chat with you under your real identity. PM me if you’d like.

The BCC (Broadcasting Corp. of China) have a commercial arm for leasing transmitter time (Through Radio Taiwan International). But they had lost lots of business, because of their poor rates. Media Broadcast (Germany), TDF (France) and Babcock (UK) offer much lower rates thought it’s sites. Why would a broadcaster lease from BCC to reach China, if they can lease the time out of Babcock’s Singapore relay for much less. It’s also only 2 hops. Or Guam, Sri Lanka, Thailand or Yamamoto (NHK’s site). Sometime next year the BBC WS will begin a service to North Korea. Reaching North Korea from one of BCC’s sites would be easy. But as I said the costs to come out of Taiwan are to high. So they will use Babcock’s relay in Singapore.

Monitoring antennas are not that big and unless you know what your looking for. They don’t look anything out of the usual. The only ones that have a website for monitoring is the IBB (International Broadcasting Bureau), which is responsible for the Voice of America, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, Radio Free Asia and a few others. They website is also managed by people internally. I doubt the BBG (Broadcasting Board of Governors - IBB is under them) know or care about it. The others including ourselves don’t bother with a public access website as the information is really only for frequency managers.

One of the most interesting stations we pick up from time to time is Xingxing Guangbo Diantai.

There broadcasts are only 30 minutes each at. All times UTC/GMT:
7502 khz 12:00 12:30
7502 khz 13:00 13:30
9522 khz 05:00 05:30
9522 khz 06:00 06:30
15250 khz 07:00 07:30
15250 khz 08:00 08:30
15388 khz 02:00 02:30
15388 khz 03:00 03:30
15388 khz 04:00 04:30

They are using a 10kW transmitter in Guanyin.
radio4all.net/files/kperron@ … 700UTC.mp3

The Taipei based correspondent for Jane’s Defense News wrote about the station. archive.defensenews.com/article/ … Spy-Radio-
It ruffled a few feathers at the MOD. Even though they denied it was from Taiwan and said it was China. But they were unable to explain how a broadcast by the Chinese (China) Ministry of Defense could be coming from Taiwan. Now China also has a station like this, but that comes from Hainan Island.

Not so unusual China jams the BBC Chinese Service, but they BBC Chinese Service have staff in Beijing as do the Voice of America. The authorities try to pressure some, not all of our staff in Beijing and Shanghai, but it does not work.

Getting a HAM license in Taiwan is not as difficult as you may think. I didn’t have to take any local tests a I already had one. Also all that was taken care of by the Foreign Affairs Ministry when I was posted here.

Wow. This is good stuff. I’m not sure you revealed to me anything about your organization. I don’t have much time to do detective work right now. Radio listening is not very big in Taiwan. If you are a serious monitoring station, a ham or an enthusiast (all of whom I’d want to meet and chat with) I’m sure I’d notice a large enough antenna or a long wire. I don’t think I’d have much trouble finding your place if I had the time.
I’m happy to see that Shortwave is still alive. There is a BCC station in Fanglio near my house. I actually negotiated a tour but did not follow through do to a busy schedule. They broadcast to Philippians

Numbers stations? I haven’t heard those since the late 1970’s.

By the way, I lived down the road from this interesting radio station It was a high seas radio telephone transmitter station in NJ, USA. My dad was an employee of Ft. Monmouth NJ so he had government stickers on the car. They gave us a grand tour. long-lines.net/places-routes … index.html

[quote=“wereldomroep”]

Getting a HAM license in Taiwan is not as difficult as you may think. I didn’t have to take any local tests a I already had one. Also all that was taken care of by the Foreign Affairs Ministry when I was posted here.[/quote]

I definitely must PM you. Are you American? You did not take a local test?
You must know someone. Here is my understanding and I got this info from the ministry. But, I’ve been here long enough to know that there can always be exceptions granted.

  1. The USA does not recognized Taiwan as a country and does not give Taiwanese hams a reciprocal license.
  2. Taiwanese hams for a long time have been welcome to take the US test. The government finally granted US residents and citizens of other countries that do not recognize Taiwan as a country the right to take the test. Citizens of the countries that recognize Taiwan get reciprocal permits.
  3. Residents of the US and other countries can get a reciprocal permit of sorts. I had one. It consists of just the Operators License and not the Station license. This means that I am not allowed to own my own equipment or even have it at my house. We feel this includes the walkie talkies too. My dad tried sending me a radio and they Post Office rejected my certificate and I had to send it back to the US. This was more than 13 years ago. I really would like a local ham ticket. I will PM you if you don’t mind.

[quote=“wereldomroep”]I have around 100 hours of Armed Forces Taiwan Network or ARTN (pre-ICRT) tapes. Found them 15 years ago. ICRT threw them out and someone called me to pick them up. I’ve already digitized some.

Here is an addition of China Night that was broadcast late nights from June 23, 1968.

radio4all.net/files/kperron@ … 3_1968.mp3

Bob Hope’s USO Show in Taiwan from December 17, 1969. This was also broadcast a week later on AFVN (Armed Forces Vietnam Network).

It’s a short clip. The rest of tape is being restored.

radio4all.net/files/kperron@ … r_1969.mp3[/quote]

Wereldomroep…Thank you very much for posting. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :bravo:

[quote=“Taiwan_Student”]Wow. This is good stuff. I’m not sure you revealed to me anything about your organization. I don’t have much time to do detective work right now. Radio listening is not very big in Taiwan. If you are a serious monitoring station, a ham or an enthusiast (all of whom I’d want to meet and chat with) I’m sure I’d notice a large enough antenna or a long wire. I don’t think I’d have much trouble finding your place if I had the time.
I’m happy to see that Shortwave is still alive. There is a BCC station in Fanglio near my house. I actually negotiated a tour but did not follow through do to a busy schedule. They broadcast to Philippians

Numbers stations? I haven’t heard those since the late 1970’s.

By the way, I lived down the road from this interesting radio station It was a high seas radio telephone transmitter station in NJ, USA. My dad was an employee of Ft. Monmouth NJ so he had government stickers on the car. They gave us a grand tour. long-lines.net/places-routes … index.html

[quote=“wereldomroep”]

Getting a HAM license in Taiwan is not as difficult as you may think. I didn’t have to take any local tests a I already had one. Also all that was taken care of by the Foreign Affairs Ministry when I was posted here.[/quote]

I definitely must PM you. Are you American? You did not take a local test?
You must know someone. Here is my understanding and I got this info from the ministry. But, I’ve been here long enough to know that there can always be exceptions granted.

  1. The USA does not recognized Taiwan as a country and does not give Taiwanese hams a reciprocal license.
  2. Taiwanese hams for a long time have been welcome to take the US test. The government finally granted US residents and citizens of other countries that do not recognize Taiwan as a country the right to take the test. Citizens of the countries that recognize Taiwan get reciprocal permits.
  3. Residents of the US and other countries can get a reciprocal permit of sorts. I had one. It consists of just the Operators License and not the Station license. This means that I am not allowed to own my own equipment or even have it at my house. We feel this includes the walkie talkies too. My dad tried sending me a radio and they Post Office rejected my certificate and I had to send it back to the US. This was more than 13 years ago. I really would like a local ham ticket. I will PM you if you don’t mind.[/quote]

The antennas we use three horizontal dipoles and three AOR Alpha receivers. For the horizontal loop we have an ICOM IC-R9500. We still have the couple of Hallicrafters SX-110 that we had n Hong Kong. We did use them for a time until we replaced them. I’ve been to the Fangliao relay a number of times. Back in 2009 after typhoon Morakot Fangliao and the Tainan relay suffered some damage. The transmitters at these sites are BBC Brown Boveri and Harris. It’s always a headache to sometimes deal with the engineers at these stations. They have terrible audio processing. The problem is we have been telling them for years to replace the NEC processors with some old Orban 915As. Japanese NEC processors are no where near as good for sound at the 915A. Orban stopped production of the 915A if I’m not mistaken 30 years ago. But stations don’t replace them. At the Babcock relay in Singapore last summer when they needed to replace two, they bought 2 from from the late 50s and had them rebuilt. The advantage of the 915A is you can reduce your power. For example in Okeechobee, Florida we do some work with WRMI (Radio Miami International). 9955khz, which is there 50kW to Cuba and Latin America is in reality running at 25kW, but with the correct settings on the 915A. It sound as if they are putting out 80kW. At Nauan, Germany the site once used by Radio Berlin International. In 1991 when it was taken over by Media Broadcast. They replaced all rubbish Soviet processors with the 915A.

To see how different they sound just listen to Radio Japan and compare it to stations and relays that are using the 915A. It’s like night and day.

No I’m not American. The permission I have for it was not done though the NCC (National Communications Commission), but rather through the Foreign Affairs Ministry. I know others that don’t have licenses and have never had a problem to get equipment sent it. I suspect the problem you had may have had to do with who was on duty that day.

You can PM me anyime/

[quote=“http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2016/05/22/2003646817”]RTI deserves recognition

Once its house is in order, President Tsai Ing-wen’s (蔡英文) administration should turn its attention to the remarkable improvement of Radio Taiwan International’s (RTI) programming — whose announcers are winning multiple Golden Bell radio excellence awards annually — as well as its Web site design, and begin promoting it as a source of commercial-free English.

RTI’s all-English programs could be used to inform the English-speaking expat community if it were more widely accessible.

Taiwan’s other sometimes-English media — International Community Radio Taipei (ICRT) — was established in the 1970s under the Taipei International Community Cultural Foundation, an organization run by pro-Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) China Trust employees after then-US president Jimmy Carter withdrew US military forces from Taiwan, taking with them the excellent free English-language radio station (AFRT) my wife’s generation had grown up listening to.

Twenty years ago Taiwan had three TV stations and ICRT acted as a bridge between Western and Taiwanese cultures. That bridge was no longer needed when the Internet arrived.

Under the direction of its China Trust board of directors, ICRT responded to its sudden irrelevance by copying Mandarin-language radio stations, switched from all-English to bilingual programs while still claiming to be “Taiwan’s only English radio station.” In an article in the Taipei Times, an ICRT employee admitted current employees do not listen to the station (“Remaining relevant: the challenge of radio,” March 23, page 12).

Former president Ma Ying-jeou’s (馬英九) administration supported China Trust by throwing money at ICRT via a program called Let’s Learn Hakka, while ignoring the needs of young Taiwanese for a free source of native speakers conversing in English to prepare them to compete against students in Singapore, South Korea and China.

Tsai should instruct the Ministry of Education to promote RTI to all English-language teachers as a free resource.

I offer a suggestion to RTI. Its current Web site lacks a free-to-use community event bulletin board with listings of leisure items, such as movie reviews and restaurant reviews. It is time the Tsai administration acted on the fact that KMT bankers have ruined ICRT while RTI has improved tremendously.

Dan Fowler

Taoyuan and Toronto[/quote]

YYY I do so agree…

I listened to RTI last week and found it’s programming quite interesting but it’s kind of awkward to access. Not as easy as other radio stations. I think you have to search around the site to get the latest program. It’s tune in Radio cousin is not that good either.
I clicked on the link for tune in radio. The next day I clicked on the same link and it was just repeated the last days programming. A couple days later I clicked on the same link and got that days programming again. They really should have a live looping channel that only plays the current days programming and an mp3 archive for older programming as all the other broadcasters do. I really don’t want to spend time searching.

ICRT was my station. I loved how they took care for foreigners warning us about dangerous weather. Telling us to avoid standing under signs during a typhoon or other important things. It was a 24/7 live friend who was awake and let us know what needed to know. The big earthquakes, the Kaohsiung explosions, the terrible storms all would have been covered and we would have been made to feel more secure.
Sadly, I guess that kind of service is dead. At least we can hope for some more RTI Programming. Do you think there would be enough people who will listen to justify a 24/7 English Language service. Or is English dead. As for ICRT… as a member of the foreigner community and if I have a vote in this I say they have violated the charter by not serving us during the recent disasters. I vote the the foundation gets dissolved and the license surrendered back to the government.