# If APRC holders would like to see the reciprocity rules scrapped **URL:** \ **Category:** Legal - Real Estate & Housing\ **Tags:** poll, how-to\ **Created:** [January 2, 2025, 6:16am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/if-aprc-holders-would-like-to-see-the-reciprocity-rules-scrapped/247616 "2025-01-02T06:16:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Scott0424](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/e47774/32.png) [@Scott0424](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Scott0424)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 6:16am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/if-aprc-holders-would-like-to-see-the-reciprocity-rules-scrapped/247616/1 "2025-01-02T06:16:14Z")
If APRC holders would like to see the reciprocity rules scrapped, in regards to land ownership, who to contact, what approaches should we take? The way i see it, APRC is not so different from ARC, one could even say APRC= non expiry ARC, other than this doesnt offer much advantage as to our day to day lives. Would’ve been lot better if reciprocity rules didnt apply. Was wondering if there were any attempts done in the past trying to get rid of reciprocity rules for APRC holders ---
**Author:** ![amitkattal](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/amitkattal/32/179602_2.png) [@amitkattal](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/amitkattal)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 6:30am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/if-aprc-holders-would-like-to-see-the-reciprocity-rules-scrapped/247616/3 "2025-01-02T06:30:06Z")
> [@Scott0424](#): > > APRC= non expiry ARC I would say its more than just that. ---
**Author:** ![Marco](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/marco/32/179744_2.png) [@Marco](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Marco)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 6:30am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/if-aprc-holders-would-like-to-see-the-reciprocity-rules-scrapped/247616/4 "2025-01-02T06:30:33Z")
> [@Scott0424](#): > > If APRC holders would like to see the reciprocity rules scrapped, in regards to land ownership, who to contact, what approaches should we take? Why only APRC holders? Do ARC holders not pay tax? If you want to get around the rules, why not just get citizenship? ---
**Author:** ![justintaiwan](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/7ea924/32.png) [@justintaiwan](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/justintaiwan)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 6:33am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/if-aprc-holders-would-like-to-see-the-reciprocity-rules-scrapped/247616/5 "2025-01-02T06:33:17Z")
I agree with this in principle but I think fighting for naturalisation without renunciation would solve this and many other problems. And it’s easier to keep the government focused on one solution rather than move the goal posts. > [@Scott0424](#): > > one could even say APRC= non expiry ARC That, I believe, is by design. The solution is to naturalise - which would also solve the reciprocity problem of buying land as well as every other problem with ARCs ---
**Author:** ![Scott0424](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/e47774/32.png) [@Scott0424](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Scott0424)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 6:40am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/if-aprc-holders-would-like-to-see-the-reciprocity-rules-scrapped/247616/6 "2025-01-02T06:40:06Z")
nothing against ARC holders, wouldve been amazing if there werent lot of rules imposed thats all ---
**Author:** ![Marco](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/marco/32/179744_2.png) [@Marco](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Marco)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 6:42am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/if-aprc-holders-would-like-to-see-the-reciprocity-rules-scrapped/247616/7 "2025-01-02T06:42:12Z")
> [@Scott0424](#): > > nothing against ARC holders, wouldve been amazing if there werent lot of rules imposed thats all Well the request seemed a bit exclusionary. ---
**Author:** ![Scott0424](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/e47774/32.png) [@Scott0424](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Scott0424)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 6:44am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/if-aprc-holders-would-like-to-see-the-reciprocity-rules-scrapped/247616/8 "2025-01-02T06:44:10Z")
I totally support naturalisation without renunciation but seems the process might have slowed down and i know it will take time. Just thought MOI might think its easier to lift reciprocity rules than passing naturalisation without renunciation ---
**Author:** ![justintaiwan](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/7ea924/32.png) [@justintaiwan](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/justintaiwan)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 6:47am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/if-aprc-holders-would-like-to-see-the-reciprocity-rules-scrapped/247616/9 "2025-01-02T06:47:18Z")
> [@Scott0424](#): > > thought MOI might think its easier to lift reciprocity rules It’s not a bad theory but I can already foresee the response from the MOI “Taiwan is a small country with limited land yet is gracious enough in the spirit of fairness to allow foreigners to buy land provided they come from countries where Taiwanese are also allowed to buy land. Taiwan is also gracious enough to allow foreigners to naturalise where reciprocity rules do not apply” ---
**Author:** ![comfy123](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/comfy123/32/258242_2.png) [@comfy123](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/comfy123)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 7:50am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/if-aprc-holders-would-like-to-see-the-reciprocity-rules-scrapped/247616/10 "2025-01-02T07:50:04Z")
> [@Scott0424](#): > > If APRC holders would like to see the reciprocity rules scrapped, in regards to land ownership, who to contact, what approaches should we take? So what is wrong? Your country won’t allow land ownership for foreigners and you want Taiwan to allow you? If you don’t like it then I suggest becoming a citizen. ---
**Author:** ![anon24369109](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@anon24369109](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/anon24369109)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 8:01am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/if-aprc-holders-would-like-to-see-the-reciprocity-rules-scrapped/247616/11 "2025-01-02T08:01:49Z")
> [@justintaiwan](#): > > I agree with this in principle but I think fighting for naturalisation without renunciation would solve this and many other problems. > > And it’s easier to keep the government focused on one solution rather than move the goal posts. By asking the government to change the renunciation requirement you are asking them to move the goal posts. So the government is focused on one solution. Renounce and rejoice in your new found freedom. Naturalization doesn’t help me as I cannot own the land I live on right now. Only indigenous people can own it. Woe is me. Life isn’t fair. Renunciation is good for the soul. Being stateless as it was before wasn’t so terrible. At least now you are not stateless and get one year to renounce. Not like in the good old days where you renounced first then naturalized. Thankfully there is no reciprocity when it comes to citizenship anywhere in the world although some dream of it. PS You don’t even need an ARC to buy property in Taiwan can be done on a tourist visa. Just like a Taiwan drivers license. ---
**Author:** ![anon24369109](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@anon24369109](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/anon24369109)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 8:04am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/if-aprc-holders-would-like-to-see-the-reciprocity-rules-scrapped/247616/12 "2025-01-02T08:04:20Z")
> [@Scott0424](#): > > If APRC holders would like to see the reciprocity rules scrapped, in regards to land ownership, who to contact, what approaches should we take? You need to start a petition like they did for naturalization. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![anon24369109](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@anon24369109](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/anon24369109)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 8:05am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/if-aprc-holders-would-like-to-see-the-reciprocity-rules-scrapped/247616/13 "2025-01-02T08:05:36Z")
> [@justintaiwan](#): > > The solution is to naturalise - which would also solve the reciprocity problem of buying land as well as every other problem with ARCs One card to rule them all. This is the way. ---
**Author:** ![Marco](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/marco/32/179744_2.png) [@Marco](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Marco)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 8:06am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/if-aprc-holders-would-like-to-see-the-reciprocity-rules-scrapped/247616/14 "2025-01-02T08:06:12Z")
> [@anon24369109](#): > > Thankfully there is no reciprocity when it comes to citizenship anywhere in the world although some dream of it. I actually found one. Just one. It involves my passport too. Paraguay only allows dual citizenship with countries that have signed bilateral treaties on the issue. Their constitution makes clear that dual citizenship is only afforded on the principle of reciprocity and a signed treaty. Currently those included are: Italian Republic Kingdom of Spain ---
**Author:** ![comfy123](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/comfy123/32/258242_2.png) [@comfy123](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/comfy123)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 8:09am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/if-aprc-holders-would-like-to-see-the-reciprocity-rules-scrapped/247616/15 "2025-01-02T08:09:29Z")
> [@Marco](#): > > Paraguay only allows dual citizenship with countries that have signed bilateral treaties on the issue. I don’t see why they don’t just go down the whole list of countries (only 195) and make a short list… Then as for updating just let the applicants submit proof the country changed the law. ---
**Author:** ![Marco](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/marco/32/179744_2.png) [@Marco](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Marco)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 8:11am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/if-aprc-holders-would-like-to-see-the-reciprocity-rules-scrapped/247616/16 "2025-01-02T08:11:42Z")
> [@comfy123](#): > > > [@Marco](#): > > > > Paraguay only allows dual citizenship with countries that have signed bilateral treaties on the issue. > > I don’t see why they don’t just go down the whole list of countries (only 195) and make a short list… > > Then as for updating just let the applicants submit proof the country changed the law. Oh yeah totally agree it’s stupid. I just thought it was funny I found the absolutely only exception. ---
**Author:** ![Scott0424](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/e47774/32.png) [@Scott0424](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Scott0424)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 8:14am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/if-aprc-holders-would-like-to-see-the-reciprocity-rules-scrapped/247616/17 "2025-01-02T08:14:09Z")
yeah but the problem with that is I have to give up my own nationality, who knows how long it will take MOI to accept dual nationality maybe a decade. might be easier to improve ARC/APRC laws and lift some restrictions, we wouldnt be asking for dual nationality in the first place if immigration laws werent backwards ---
**Author:** ![Marco](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/marco/32/179744_2.png) [@Marco](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Marco)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 8:20am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/if-aprc-holders-would-like-to-see-the-reciprocity-rules-scrapped/247616/18 "2025-01-02T08:20:36Z")
> [@Scott0424](#): > > yeah but the problem with that is I have to give up my own nationality, who knows how long it will take MOI to accept dual nationality maybe a decade. What is your nationality? > [@Scott0424](#): > > might be easier to improve ARC/APRC laws and lift some restrictions, we wouldnt be asking for dual nationality in the first place if immigration laws werent backwards If all of us are hammering at the government with different issues that could be solved by one solution, we’re not working efficiently. We don’t have the resources to attack ALL of the issues, but we can go after the one that would solve 90% of our problems. ---
**Author:** ![Scott0424](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/e47774/32.png) [@Scott0424](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Scott0424)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 8:22am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/if-aprc-holders-would-like-to-see-the-reciprocity-rules-scrapped/247616/19 "2025-01-02T08:22:30Z")
Mongolian, was surprised to find out it wasnt listed on reciprocal countries, with fancy rep center in tpe and all ---
**Author:** ![Marco](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/marco/32/179744_2.png) [@Marco](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Marco)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 8:23am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/if-aprc-holders-would-like-to-see-the-reciprocity-rules-scrapped/247616/20 "2025-01-02T08:23:19Z")
[quote=“Scott0424, post:19, topic:247616, full:true”] Mongolian, was surprised to find out it wasnt listed on reciprocal countries, with fancy rep center in tpe and all 3. [/quote] > Dual citizenship is not granted by the Mongolian government. > Article 4. Non-recognition of dual citizenship > > 1. A citizen of Mongolia shall not be recognized as a citizen of a foreign country at the same time. > > 2. If a foreign citizen wants to become a citizen of Mongolia, he / she must renounce the citizenship of that country. If the law of a foreign country provides for the loss > > of citizenship by becoming a citizen of another country, it is not required to renounce the citizenship of that country, and a certificate from the relevant authority must be obtained. According to this, Mongolia _generally_ does not allow dual citizenship to begin with. Getting Taiwanese may have your Mongolian stripped anyways. > **[Mongolian nationality law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolian_nationality_law#Dual_Citizenship)** > > The Mongolian nationality law is a nationality law that determines who is a citizen of Mongolia. > Current citizenship law is guided by the 1992 Constitution of Mongolia and the Law of Mongolia on Nationality. The most recent amendments to the act was made on 7 December 2000. > > From the Nationality Act of Mongolia: > **[Монгол улсын харьяатын тухай хууль](https://mn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BB_%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%81%D1%8B%D0%BD_%D1%85%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8C%D1%8F%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8B%D0%BD_%D1%82%D1%83%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B9_%D1%85%D1%83%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C)** > > Монгол Улсын харьяатын тухай хууль нь Монгол Улсын иргэн хэн болохыг тогтоосон иргэншлийн тухай хууль юм. > Одоогийн иргэний харьяаллын тухай хууль нь 1992 оны Монгол Улсын Үндсэн Хууль болон Монгол Улсын харьяатын тухай хуулиас бүрдэж байна. Хамгийн сүүлд 2000 оны 12 сарын 7-нд актад нэмэлт өөрчлөлт оруулсан. > > Монгол Улсын харьяатын тухай хуулиас: 6 дугаар зүйл. Монгол Улсын харьяат болох үндэслэл > [@](#): > > Давхар иргэншил > > Монголд давхар иргэншилтэй байхыг хориглодог. > > ``` > 4 дүгээр зүйл. Хоёрдмол харьяаллыг хүлээн зөвшөөрөхгүй байх > > 1. Монгол Улсын харьяат нэгэн зэрэг гадаад улсын харьяат байхыг хүлээн зөвшөөрөхгүй. > > 2. Гадаад улсын харьяат нь Монгол Улсын харьяат болохыг хүсвэл тухайн улсынхаа харьяатаас гарсан байх шаардлагатай. Хэрэв тухайн гадаад улсын хууль тогтоомжид өөр улсын харьяат болсноор иргэний харьяаллаа алдахаар зохицуулагдсан бол тухайн улсынхаа харьяатаас гарсан байхыг шаардахгүй бөгөөд энэ тухай холбогдох байгууллагын тодорхойлолт авсан байвал зохино. > > ``` ---
**Author:** ![Scott0424](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/e47774/32.png) [@Scott0424](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Scott0424)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 8:23am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/if-aprc-holders-would-like-to-see-the-reciprocity-rules-scrapped/247616/21 "2025-01-02T08:23:32Z")
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