…and this is the root of the problem. It’s the people that have the least ability to raise kids that are having the most. Same excuse from these losers running their four kids to and from school on scooter, “Oh, but we can’t afford a car!” What kind of logic is this? If you can’t afford a car, wtf are you doing having kids!!!
These guys have to learn to stand up to the their own parent’s insatiable desire for grandchildren. These women have to stop operating their vaginas like clown cars.
“Like clown cars”? 
Yeah. Forced sterilization of all people who fail to reach the 13% tax bracket will solve the seatbelt problem once and for all.
Yeah. Forced sterilization of all people who fail to reach the 13% tax bracket will solve the seatbelt problem once and for all.[/quote]
hsiadogah didn’t advocate anything of the kind. Rather, he raised the question, a valid issue, IMO, of personal responsibility.
Well, I’m mildly offended. I’m from a large family (seven kids) that didn’t have much money. We turned out OK. Please keep this kind of opinion to yourself.
Note that the birthrate among higher income groups has fallen dramatically, with the #1 stated reason for not having a second child (or even a first) being the expense of education. Those who are most able to afford kids aren’t having them because they are too expensive, and those least able to raise kids are having the most. It’s my guess that these are the same people who think they are going to win the lottery, but aren’t going to be involved in a traffic accident. That’s why they are having lots of kids and carrying them all on a scooter, wrong way down the one-way street, with the headlight off. :s
This is complete nonsense. The real problem is with people who believe that education is something you have to buy for your children and that the kind of education you buy your children is a kind of status item. If some parents weren’t so busy chasing the allmighty $, they might have a bit more time to spend with their children and educate them about the things they know whether it be scooter repair or string theory.
Actually, you should be thanking the poor people who are having more children because they are producing the workers who will support you in your old age. And instead of blaming poor people for not having the means to educate their children according to your standards, perhaps you should consider paying a few more of your tax dollars so that kids in Yunlin get the same kind of education that kids in Taipei do. (Actually Taiwan does a far better job of this than my home country does).
This is not my opinion, this was a survey result. Don’t blame me because you don’t like the survey results or the education system. And btw, this is way OT.
Put your hands in the air, and back away from the pipe.
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And instead of blaming poor people for not having the means to educate their children according to your standards, perhaps you should consider paying a few more of your tax dollars so that kids in Yunlin get the same kind of education that kids in Taipei do.[/quote]
How about they have fewer kids as well, and I pay less tax to cover their education? I don’t insist on any educational standards at all. Survey results, nothing to do with me.
I made the point that people who can raise that many kids should also be able to own a larger vehicle for them all to ride in safely. Are you going to argue for their rights to transport said kids in an unsafe manner? Are you going to tell me that things are different in Taiwan and that I don’t understand 
Fascist. :fume:
[quote=“hsiadogah”] If you can’t afford a car, wtf are you doing having kids??!!
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What kind of logic is this? A car is car and kids are kids… Not being able to afford a car does not equate with being irresponsible in my book.
I think he was in fact getting at the point that if you can’t provide the means of support for the kids, i.e. suitable transportation for schooling or whatnot, then you shouldn’t have them. I don’t think its irresponsible, it’s just common sense.
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I think he was in fact getting at the point that if you can’t provide the means of support for the kids, i.e. suitable transportation for schooling or whatnot, then you shouldn’t have them. I don’t think its irresponsible, it’s just common sense.[/quote]
there’s more to life than “suitable transportation for schooling.” just my opinion.
It would appear then that your parents were personally responsible, despite whatever sacrifices they may have had to make to care for seven children. I’ve no problem with that.
[quote=“daltongang”][quote=“hsiadogah”] If you can’t afford a car, wtf are you doing having kids??!!
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What kind of logic is this? A car is car and kids are kids… Not being able to afford a car does not equate with being irresponsible in my book.[/quote]
You think it’s okay to have four kids when you can’t scrape a few hundred thousand together for a car to run your kids around safely? It’s reported to cost several million NT$ to put a child through the system to graduating high school. How is it responsible to have the kids if it’s out of the financial reach of the family to even buy a car?
If someone were suggesting home schooling, or taking the kids to school on public transport, so that the money that would be spent on a car could be used for nobler purposes, then I’d be the first to applaud. We all know the reality is that mom runs the kids to and from school on the scooter and puts their lives at risk twice a day. SOP.
I think we are this close to implementing the 1 child policy like PRC. 
Tell that to the Catholics that don’t practice birth control.
Look you cannot hope that all kids will be well educated and well off once they are born on the planet. Who else are your kids suppose to look down to and spit on.
However, I do find Taiwanese lawmakers somewhat wuliao (ridiculous) about legislating what to do with the third kid in the back seat, which even spun off this topic. Common sense dictates in Taiwan it is safer to carty 3 kids and 2 adults on a motorscooter.
How does one even determine if they can afford kids. This is too subject to put a dollar sign to.
stfu bitch!!
My issue is simply one of personal responsibility. I agree that having lots of money should not be a requirement to have children. However, if you are going to have lots of kids, but you cannot afford to buy a suffciently large car to transport them safely and instead will use a scooter, then you had better make several trips rather than put an unsafe number on the scooter at one time.
It would, IMO, be just as irresponsible for a millionaire to place 4 kids on a scooter as it would be for a poor man to do so. The issue isn’t necessarily money.
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It would, IMO, be just as irresponsible for a millionaire to place 4 kids on a scooter as it would be for a poor man to do so. The issue isn’t necessarily money.[/quote]
Agreed, but (1) the wealthy are less likely to do so, and (2) they are having less kids anyway…
But come on, really, kids on scooters in Taiwan traffic? 
No doubt, DG. But there is a hell of a lot that one needs to provide in order for their child(ren) to have even a halfway decent life. JMO, of course.
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No doubt, DG. But there is a hell of a lot that one needs to provide in order for their child(ren) to have even a halfway decent life. JMO, of course.[/quote]
Now this is just me again, but I quite like my life, and would choose to keep it even if i had to hang off the damn handlebars to do so just give me a decent family, thanks.