On Monday I get to walk out of the hellhole I’ve been in for a year in a half with a discharge paper. Man that place must be the worst hellhole in the world. For some reason ROC Military officers acts like they dont even know what they want. They will tell you to do this, then a few days (or hours) later tell you to do something completely opposite.
… Plus (from talking to most enlisted guys) most feel that they would rather be in the US military (even though their training is harder) because they feel that there are always ways to get promoted, like an NCO can become officers if he performs well, but in Taiwan that is impossible. Also most joined up because of money, or “just want to get it over with (waited years for draft that never came…)”, but almost nobody joined up because they love their country and want to defend it. I just think the rates of CO’s getting killed by their subordinates (or vice versa) is going to be sky high in event of a war…
Yea after Monday I will have paid my debt to my country (whatever the hell that is… )
[quote=“rahimiiii”]For some reason ROC Military officers acts like they dont even know what they want. They will tell you to do this, then a few days (or hours) later tells you to do something completely opposite.[/quote]Sounds just like my boss.
“Meet the new boss, just like the old boss”
Congratulations and good on you for doing your duty. Taiwan’s position is precarious, and although the military is an inefficient organization and wastes a lot of its resources, there is no doubt that it is necessary to Taiwan’s peace and prosperity. You have also made your contribution. Come to a Happy Hour, and I’ll buy you a beer. :bravo:
rahimiiii -
Congrats on your service and welcome back to civilian life.
Be proud that you did what a lot of no-nut wussies fear having to do. Its over - good job.
You are correct about the difference in US Mil service and Taiwan service.
As to the “…the rates of CO’s getting killed by their subordinates (or vice versa)…” part of your post - No one really expects many in the Taiwanese Military to have any weapons in their hands if the PLA comes to visit.
Really, my wife’s brother was promoted from a private to an officer after being invited to take and pass the officer training test this year… and he doesnt have anything higher than senior higher school quals.
Really, my wife’s brother was promoted from a private to an officer after being invited to take and pass the officer training test this year… and he doesnt have anything higher than senior higher school quals.[/quote]
Actually you can as a private if you train as officer you become one, but NCO can never become officers… But I think that NCO should be based on merit, because I’ve seen too many NCO that shouldnt be one.
[quote=“rahimiiii”]On monday I get to walk out of the hellhole I’ve been in for a year in a half with a discharge paper. Man that place must be the worst hellhole in the world. For some reason ROC Military officers acts like they dont even know what they want. They will tell you to do this, then a few days (or hours) later tells you to do something completely opposite. Plus (from talking to most enlisted guys) most feel that they would rather be in the US military even though their training is harder because they feel that there are always ways to get promoted, like an NCO can become officers if he performs well, but in Taiwan that is impossible. Also most joined up because of money, or “just want to get it over with (waited years for draft that never came…)”, but almost nobody joined up because they love their country and want to defend it. I just think the rates of CO’s getting killed by their subordinates (or vice versa) is going to be sky high in event of a war…
Yea after monday I will have paid my dept to my country (whatever the hell that is…)[/quote]
Hey man congrads!
I respect the fact that you stepped up to the plate and did your duty. I know so many rich momas boys who buy their way ouy with trips every 3 months. They are also the first to yell “I am a taiwanese! This is my country!”
wankers
Even if your tour of duty was a waste of time, you did what was asked of you.
Thats true, US military is harder, but it depends on where in the military in Taiwan you are. For example, some marines from Taiwan are trained here in the US. Pay grade is higher for career and even higher for the ARPU. Conscription pay has been known to suck throughout the history of military. But Congrats, I can see that the KMT’s has stopped their brainwashing tactics in the military where they make you recite that the Communists are the enemy and we are the good guys.
[quote=“lincolnunit”]Thats true, US military is harder, but it depends on where in the military in Taiwan you are. For example, some marines from Taiwan are trained here in the US. Pay grade is higher for career and even higher for the ARPU. Conscription pay has been known to suck throughout the history of military. But Congrats, I can see that the KMT’s has stopped their brainwashing tactics in the military where they make you recite that the Communists are the enemy and we are the good guys.
Drink till you drop! :bravo:[/quote]
Capitalize the “M” in Marines. It’s the proper name of the service and is by tradition, capitalized.
What R.O.C. Marines go to the U.S. for training? The only link I could find was about Sergeant Wu being the first female NCO to complete the U.S. Marine Corps training. Can you provide some more info on the subject for me? It’s piqued my curiosity.
The last message in the thread was almost three years ago, so why grave dig? Wouldn’t a PM be more appropriate?
I think the only thing the conscripts will be expected to do is maintain order in event of a war or other national emergencies. I don’t think they are expected to see any real combat since we have never been trained for them. Besides if the PRC attacks there isn’t a whole lot we can do other than surrender… their military is powerful enough to get the US concerned I don’t think the ROC is capable of defending against them. Perhaps only hold on long enough for the US to provide aid. Also it only takes a couple of nukes to end it all in 10 minutes…
[quote=“Huang Guang Chen”]No offence there rahimiiii, but do they make you practice surrendering?
“Blue squad, this time I want you all out there with weapons down, hands up and white flags flying wthin 20 seconds.” “Hoo haa!”
HG[/quote]
A young Taiwanese friend told me of the run away training they do. It’s not exactly a surrender as you are supposed to turn around after a few seconds (assuming you haven’t been shot) and then return fire but I guess we all know what it really prepares you for.
Remember that US general who came here in the late 90s to inspect and advise: "We came expecting Israel; we found Panama.
