Immigration and Taiwan

[color=red]Mod note: Split from this thread.[/color]

Sucks to be the minority for once eh?
Isaac, I think you have no idea.
You immigrated to A with your family, right. Well, there is no immigration to Taiwan. We Westerners are not even a minority, we are guests no matter how long we live here and we will never be something else.

high regards? this is a bloomy word.
I think most Taiwanese feel uncomfortable if they encounter a Westerner. They always stress that we are different and as I see it, there is no “getting used to”. Per definition we are foreigners.
Are you a foreigner in Australia, hm?
Oh - I see what is coming. Hello new topic, racism
There is no (non-Chinese) immigration in Taiwan. It is not an open society. Foreign labor has to leave. Westerners are freaks.
Why is this? The way I see people here, I would say it is 'cause it’s impossible for most people here to even think, understand and accept the concept of diversity.
The West is an option for Chinese people

DaveorJimmy your latest reply is so retarded I am not even going to dignify it with a proper response. :loco:

you make my point, Isaak

Why do so many people think this?

Ignorance poagao… :blush:

or maybe they are just thinking of immigration in the western sense, where you get to keep you own passport and have a new adopted second home? :noway:

Immigration is immigration, and Taiwan allows it, no matter what your opinion of its terms may be.

Yeah, but that’s like saying that Utah allows alcohol and Singapore allows gum. Yeah, Australia before the 1970s allowed immiration, just with certain conditions (be white).

Singapre has never disallowed gum - eating it and having it is perfectly legal… selling however - that is illegal.

If you are American and were born in the U.S., you are not allowed two passports.

there is no immigration in Taiwan

wai lao (foreign workers) have to leave after 1 or 2 years.
lao wai (English teachers) can stay, there are some thousand of them on the island, some marry and stay all live. They are foreigners in Taiwan no matter how long they stay here.
Everybody non Chinese is regarded a foreigner, a guest, a tourist or a monkey (depends)

How many of those mentioned people above become Taiwanese - maybe a couple. The only group of foreigners who come close to be a normal part of the society are those brides from SE Asia. There are programs to help them integrate and adopt to their new home.

Any more questions?

Maybe you should read this thread. It might help clear up some things for you.

If you are American and were born in the U.S., you are not allowed two passports.[/quote]

I am American and only one lazy second away from having had an Aussie passport too. When I checked, two passports was not condoned, but permissable nevertheless. However, I do believe it depends on where the 2nd passport is from.

And Paogao, I agree immigration is possible. And to those who prefer Taiwanese citizenship, cool. But for me, I’d just like something like a green card. Or like the permanent residency permit I have for Australia.

Poagao, what are you on about? In many countries it’s possible to for a foreigner to obtain citizenship. Do you think because a foreigner can become a Taiwanese citizen there is immigration?

Well, what have those who have taken Taiwan citizenship done if not immigrated?

They are foreigners who love Taiwan and/or try to make the best out of their situation here and are brave enough to give up their original ID. My point is well documented even in the thread Poagao did put up for me (thanks). In Taiwan a foreigner is a foreigner is a foreigner and is treated like a guest (which is nice if you are one).

That right, Poagao? You treated like a “guest?” Cool. In Taiwan they give their “guests” guns to play with. Poagao, were you treated as a “guest” when you voted in the election? StalliteTV? You treated like a “guest?”

Maybe someone needs to look up the word “immigrate” in the dictionary?

poagao - why don’t you answer sandmans questions. Do your fellow Taiwanese treat you like a fellow Taiwanese?

There is no immigration

Once again you bring irrelevant information into the argument.

This entire debate about whether or not immigration exists in Taiwan stemmed from your inability to discern what is, and what is not, relevant to the argument.

By definition and by law, immigration exists in Taiwan. Whether or not immigrants feel “fit in” in the Taiwanese society is an entire separate issue.

Oh, and by the way, don’t know if you noticed, but Sandman wasn’t agreeing with you.