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[quote=“Etheorial”]
We still can learn something from the old Mother Country.[/quote]
To be peasants? Thank you, no.
I’d hardly call all British peasants, sir.
I’m surprised to hear you make such a callous statement, particularly when you consider exactly who inhabits a good part of the rural areas of the American South and the Midwest. Having gone to school in rural Ohio, I can speak from experience.
In the meantime, British currency is quite a bit stronger than ours, and they’re not killing each other with handguns.
And, for the record, I’d much rather have Tony Blair leading my country than George W. Bush. I know the two of them get along famously, but I think we all know who’s the brighter bulb.
Pardon me for the aside but, it’s Bush. Blair was all thinking he could get Bush to internationalize foreign policy by working within the restraints of UN and international law–which from many European perspectives would be quite a nice achievement. Bush got Tony to agree that he’d be with us no matter what if Bush would TRY to get the UN on board. Bush, via Powell, gave it a bit of a go, the Security Council told us to get bent. Blair not only failed in his quest to internationalize the Pentagon, but was already committed to the invasion, and now (because they are party to the ICC) subject to possible prosecution for war crimes. Bush may be stupid, but he wasn’t as stupid as Blair.
peace.
[quote=“Etheorial”]I’d hardly call all British peasants, sir.
I’m surprised to hear you make such a callous statement, particularly when you consider exactly who inhabits a good part of the rural areas of the American South and the Midwest. [/quote]
We are armed freemen in the South, thank you. [i]Not[/i] cringing peasants. Approximately 40,000 Brits immigrate to the US per year. Freedom has alot to do with it. I don’t see many Americans heading the opposite direction. 
We’ll even welcome Dangermouse!
[quote=“Etheorial”]
And, for the record, I’d much rather have Tony Blair leading my country than George W. Bush. I know the two of them get along famously, but I think we all know who’s the brighter bulb.[/quote]
The people who have thought that and gone against Bush have had their asses handed to them on a platter.
Armed freemen who had to be put in their place on more than one occasion, sir.
The South always had to be beaten into giving up its vile and racist policies. First the Civil War, and then the Civil Rights Movement. It’s the only language that some people down there understand.
My favorite example of Southern hospitality is the case of Emmett Till. Bob Dylan wrote a song about that one.
Don’t forget the refusal of many southern school districts to accept Brown vs. the Board of Education after the Supreme Court decided that separate was not equal.
Strom Thurmond running for president on a pro-segregationist campaign in 1956, was it? C’mon Stalin, you’ve got all the dates and facts. You’ll know. Managed to win 4 states in the Deep South as a “Dixiecrat.”
And Trent Lott’s comments a few years ago praising Thurmond’s campaign and suggesting maybe it wouldn’t have been so bad…
Then there was my visit to Rhodes College in Memphis in 1997 as a prospective student when several of the upperclassmen told me that slavery really didn’t deserve such a bad reputation. They were dead serious too.
Southern pride.
[quote=“Comrade Stalin”][quote=“Etheorial”]
And, for the record, I’d much rather have Tony Blair leading my country than George W. Bush. I know the two of them get along famously, but I think we all know who’s the brighter bulb.[/quote]
The people who have thought that and gone against Bush have had their asses handed to them on a platter. [/quote]
Yeah, Bush has made a career out of looking stupid and then surprising people by out performing their expectations on the campaign trail. Given what he believes in, it’s probably a good thing that he can’t govern as effectively.
Actually, between 1990 and 2000 a total of 177,900 people born in the UK entered the US. Divided by 10 makes about 18,000 people per year.
http://www.census.gov/population/cen2000/stp-159/STP-159-United_Kingdom.pdf
But 11,000 people from the UK moved to Spain in the year 2000.
I couldn’t find the figures for France, but I assume they’re at least the same or much higher.
The upshot? Your “freedom” has little to do with it. It’s mostly about the weather. How many Britons in the US are living in Minnesota in comparison with Florida or California?
Actually, between 1990 and 2000 a total of 177,900 people born in the UK entered the US. Divided by 10 makes about 18,000 people per year.[/quote]
Old figures. The flow has turned into a flood in the past several years. And you’ll be happy to know over 5,000 Canadian professionals (doctors, professors etc) are moving to the US every year. So, we’re more than happy to see our disaffected Democrats and potential draft-dodgers more North. 
It’s a better than even trade.
Yeah, right. They come because they enjoy those wonderful hurricanes and earthquake summers. 
When I went back to the US last year, I met a number of Europeans who have recently moved to the US. I live in a small Southern town with a population of only about 8,000. I met several Brits and a Dutch guy. The Dutch family runs out local boutique hotel. All of them said they moved for the freedom. Immigrants are not the same as tourists. It’s not about the weather.
[quote=“Etheorial”]Tainan Cowboy, I call 'em as I see ‘em.
Ridiculous and pompous? My comments may come off that way. But people in glass houses… How about the obnoxious “W Still President” icon that shows up every time you post something? Castro’s still president too, but I’m not trying to remind people of it.
Guns in America do much more harm than good.
Hunting is fine. But most hunters don’t hunt with handguns, do they? Unless they are hunting people.
Feel the need to defend their family? From who exactly? Is America rampant with banditry these days out on the frontier as it once was in the Wild Wild West? I understand where the gun culture came from, but there’s no longer any need for it.
Americans have shown time and time again that they aren’t capable of making the right decisions when it comes to guns. There are too many accidents, too many cases of kids shooting each other with their parents’ guns, and so on.
A handgun is a very powerful thing, and it does not belong in the hands of a private American citizen who is not a police officer, or some kind of federal agent. Look at how few handgun deaths there are in Great Britain each year. Their citizens don’t have the right to bear arms. Is their freedom in jeopardy?
We still can learn something from the old Mother Country.[/quote]Etheorial -
Thank you for confirming that responding to your post was a waste of my time and Forumosa bandwisth.
As to the avatar - Glad it ruffled your feathers - once again a reflection of the censorship and fear of individual freedom shown by those you typify.
My “Mother country” is the USA. I neither know nor care what “Old Mothers” you wish to learn from.
Actually, between 1990 and 2000 a total of 177,900 people born in the UK entered the US. Divided by 10 makes about 18,000 people per year.[/quote]
Old figures. The flow has turned into a flood in the past several years.[/quote]
Let’s see the new figures, then. I don’t have them for the number of Britons “flowing” into Spain and France, but reports are that they’re far larger as well.
The academic environment in North America is borderless. Professors get jobs where they can. There are more schools in the US, thus the flow into US universities is greater.
Doctors make a lot of money in Canada. The ones who move to the US because they feel the need to make $400,000 instead of “just” $200,000? Good riddance. What’s interesting though, is that a lot of these “deserters” come back to Canada because they don’t like the system there.
Yeah, right. They come because they enjoy those wonderful hurricanes and earthquake summers. When I went back to the US last year, I met a number of Europeans who have recently moved to the US. I live in a small Southern town with a population of only about 8,000. I met several Brits and a Dutch guy. The Dutch family runs out local boutique hotel. All of them said they moved for the freedom. Immigrants are not the same as tourists. It’s not about the weather.[/quote]
I’m guessing that the Dutch family was pretty hard up in the Netherlands, and had many restrictions on their “freedom?” Sure, whatever.
Look at where people travel and go to live. Florida and California. Not Kansas or Montana. I’ve been to southern California, and the weather there is tantalizing. It’s f*ckin’ magical. All of the Britons I met there who had moved there told me that that was the number one reason they’d decided to stay. If it were cold and rainy they wouldn’t be there, but then, it wouldn’t be California, either.
New York is a different kettle of fish, obviously, but then, so is Toronto when it comes to drawing people from all over the world.
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I’m guessing that the Dutch family was pretty hard up in the Netherlands, and had many restrictions on their “freedom?” Sure, whatever.[/quote]
Actually, the Dutch guy was the former manager for Windows on the World at New York’s World Trade Center before 911. I used to live in Nuenen, Van Gogh’s village in the Netherlands. It’s one of the richest, most expensive areas in the Netherlands…I knew at least 6 families who were packing up and leaving for the US.
From the Dutch site Expatica:
[quote]One-third of Dutch people want to emigrate
13 April 2005
AMSTERDAM
Explain your doctor shortage. [/quote]
The explanation is the same as for the coming shortage in the US: poor distribution. It’s the same for remote and/or less desirable places in both our countries: doctors don’t want to live there if they can choose to live elsewhere.
[quote]Some medical policy specialists explain that the shortage scare of doctors in the United States is not an issue concerning too few doctors, but simply poor distribution of them. In fact, one critic claimed the problem stems from:
*More and more physicians taking care of fewer and fewer patients
*Doctors gravitating to high-paying practices, such as sports medicine and total body scans, that only serve the wealthy and well-insured at the expense of Medicare patients and others
http://www.mercola.com/2005/mar/12/doctor_shortage.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-03-02-doctor-shortage_x.htm
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Canada’s biggest problem is that we have thousands of immigrant medical doctors driving cabs. The system needs to be reformed so that they can get certified more easily. That, and our socialized healthcare is in dire need of reform, as well. European countries have “two-tier” systems, with both socialized and private healthcare if you want to pay for it–Canada should, too.
Overall, I like Canada better than the US. You like the US better than Canada. I guess I must be a “loser” like all of the other people who flocked here in the 18th Century.
Funny how there were so many of them, though.
I’ve got an idea…why don’t we continue to snipe at each for another 20 pages? We’ll take sides: I’ll be for the Great White North, and you can be for the…
Wait, what’s that I hear in the background? Is someone trying to convince me that that wouldn’t be entertaining? I mean, it’s not the kind of thing you hear every day in Taiwan, is it?
Who would have thought of such an outrageous idea…Europeans immigrating to the USA.
I would have never have guessed.
[quote=“porcelainprincess”]
I’ve got an idea…why don’t we continue to snipe at each for another 20 pages? We’ll take sides: I’ll be for the Great White North, and you can be for the…[/quote]
Even better idea…You supply the cold Molsons!
[quote=“Comrade Stalin”][quote=“porcelainprincess”]
I’ve got an idea…why don’t we continue to snipe at each for another 20 pages? We’ll take sides: I’ll be for the Great White North, and you can be for the…[/quote]Even better idea…You supply the cold Molsons! [/quote]Gotta be the ‘blue labels’ though…none of that “Export” crap…
You’ve got that right, TC, Export is pure crap. Most of what Molson/Miller brews is piss water. Montreal’s micro & house brews, however, are reason enough for any beer lover to move there.
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