Sorry to disappoint you, Alley. But, Rascal is a hypocrite.[/quote]
And if he is, then what next TMT? What does that do for you, him and all the other IP posters? Maybe it’s true Rascal’s moderation is uneven as compared to yours in IP, but moderation styles do differ.[/quote]
I’ve no problem with differing styles of moderation. I just object to hypocrisy and double standards. Doesn’t everyone?[/quote]
Yes, moderation within the same forum should be transparent. It hasn’t been. That’s hard to do, especially when the new moderator may not have had similar experience in moderation, plus unfamiliarity with co-moderator. I don’t think they’re both on the same pages as is reflected in the moderating that’s going on. But, I would be ok with giving IP moderation team a certain grace period to sort things out, particularly since IP is a really tough beast to handle with not only the topics but the strong personalities involved.
But, in the end, if this point is agreed by all parties, then what next for you and for Forumosa admin/moderators?
Strong words for someone who was the moderator but put himself and “his” forum above the global rules.[/quote]
Idiot,
Note: “Idiot” is, I assume, an acceptable form of insult. I make this assumption based on the fact that Maoman personally uses this term of insult when in his sole discretion he bestows the title of “Village Idiot” on certain Forumosans.
OK, Idiot Rascal,
I did not put the IP Forum above the rules. Are you stupid? You yourself yesterday informed me that each moderator had the authority to subjectively determine when rules have been violated. That is what I did. You are such a hypocrite.
Moreover, Idiot Rascal, I never referred to the IP Forum as “my” forum.
Now, Idiot Rascal, please explain how I “put myself above the global rules”. And what the fuck are the “global rules”?
No offence to Rascal, or any other official IP heavyweight, but perhaps the IP forum should be moderated by someone who does not participate in the IP forum?
It would cut down on the utter crap which is going on at the moment, dont you think?
I’m not sure that’s a good idea. But, I do think its a fair idea.
In case you are referring to my complaints as “crap”, then I disagree. I don’t think pointing out contradictions and hypocrisy is “crap”. However, if you are referring to the various contradictions and hypocrisies that i am pointing out, then I agree that the same is “crap”.
[quote]No offence to Rascal, or any other official IP heavyweight, but perhaps the IP forum should be moderated by someone who does not participate in the IP forum?
It would cut down on the utter crap which is going on at the moment, dont you think?[/quote]
None taken. But what difference would it make - unless there is any indication that actions taken were based on my political views?
I am certain you didn’t want to imply that, so perhaps the reason for the crap is not related to the fact that a moderator also participates in that forum.
As well you may have noticed that I have been participating less actively, one reason is that I am busy at work (kind of) and that moderating currently takes up a lot of time that I would perhaps otherwise spend on posting (surely me posting less is appreciated by some ).
The idea was to align the IP forum with the global rules and “clean it up”, hence the moderation appears, well, is more heavy handed. The majority in the poll made earlier supported this.
Further moderating means to me not only to move, split, edit or delete posts etc., but also “interfere” by means of posting reminders or advise, some of them before things (appear to) get out of hand.
And if I may state an observation: since the day I have become moderator Tigerman has been on a rampage.
That someone pulled his two “Rascal” threads seems to have upset him a lot but he has been directing his anger mostly at me, even I wasn’t involved in that decision.
Now Tigerman may voice his criticism, that’s fine, but then he should do so at the proper place (Feedback forum, not any thread in the IP forum) and use proper manners. Rather then using insults and profanitiy he should make his point in a fair and contructive manner and, on occasion, learn to take “no” for an answer.
Hiding behing sarcasm and irony (supposingly) is pretty lame and cowardly - if he has a point to make he should do so without resorting to the same he complains about.
As well his repeated snide remarks against me and the administration and the fact that he has made those in several threads does not show me his goodwill to address the issues properly but rather indicates that he uses any opportunity to rant, insult and carry out personal attacks.
Let’s see… you post that fred smith has no right to comment on a particular matter because he has never voted. I responded that because you have never voted in the US you have thus no right to comment on US policy. You then floundered my post.
Are you a village idiot? Or just a hypocrite?
Note: I am now assuming that the insult “village idiot” is acceptable as it is exactly the same insult that Maoman frequently uses.
A “rampage”? Christ, Moderator Rascal, this is cyberspace. Have any glasses been broken yet by my “rampage”?
Sure, I’m pissed about that. But, actually, my ire has not been directed mostly at you (don’t flatter yourself). My anger is directed at all of the hypocrites here, including you. Funny, haven’t seen any complaints by the village idiot Traveller… remember that he complained frequently that my political views might, could influence my moderating decisions. Dumbshit. I barely ever made any moderating decisions… so how could they be influenced. Village Idiot Traveller hasn’t complained about the possibility of your political views influencing your moderating decisions, has he? Hypocrite.
Are you going to make that same suggestion to Maoman? You just deleted my use of the term “Idiot” as directed at mofangongren in the IP Forum. Is it OK for Maoman to use the term “Idiot” frequently but not OK for me to use it occasionally? Please clarify.
You village idiot hypocrite. I argued that sarcasm and irony were insulting and you and Moaman argued that only direct insults were inappropriate. So, now that I have resorted to sarcasm and irony, you use a direct insult and call me a “coward”. You’re a goddamned hypocrite.
Which one of “Da Rules” prohibits “snide” remarks?
You hypocrite. You now use your moderating power to attack and insult me and then you have the goddamned puking nerve to criticize my goodwill and propriety? How goddamned appropriate is it for you to flounder, flame and move my posts to the feedback forum and then include my name in the demeaning thread titles as “Tigerman Tries To Be Funny”, “Tigerman Continues His Personal Attacks”, etc…)?
Piss off, Moderator Rascal. You were a hypocrite before becoming a moderator and you are still a hypocrite now.
You have indicated the current goal of moderating the IP Forum is to bring the IP Forum back under the “global rules”.
Two questions:
What are these “global rules” to which you refer?
If the goal is to bring the IP Forum back under the “global rules”, then WTF are you doing telling posters that certain posting conduct not prohibited by the "global rules’ is “In Your Humble Opinion” not appropriate? If the goal is to apply the “global rules”, then who gives a shit what Moderator Rascal thinks otherwise?
You recently alleged that while moderator of the IP Forum, I put myself above the “global rules” (although you could not provide a single example of how I did so), and yet, here you are putting your own subjective standards above the “global rules”.
You say that you floundered my thread because it was “sabotaged with stupidity” and then stated that the stupidity was mine. However, I started the thread. Maybe you should consult a dictionary and ascertain the meaning of “sabotage”. In any event, if the thread was stupid to begin with, it should have been floundered immediately. The freaking thread, however, went on for 17 pages before you floundered it. The original poster does not “sabotage” his own thread with stupidity (get that dictionary out… ).
Using your idiotic logic, I can now go to anyone’s thread here and start posting stupid things, i.e., “sabatoge the thread with stupidity”. In such cases, regardless of how valid the thread was originally, once “[u]sabotaged with stupidity[/u]”, I can now expect that you will flounder and lock the entire thread. Right?
Try again. Your reply is idiotic.
Maoman, its OK to use the word “idiotic”, right? I mean, you use the term “Idiot” (actually,“Village Idiot”) all the time. Or, is the right to insult reserved for you alone?
So far, Big Fluff Matthew has always impressed me as helpful, reasonable, and even-handed in any forum that I’ve encountered him.
I have followed a few threads into the IP Forum before. But frankly, I haven’t participated because it always had the feel of a personal vendetta forum for a limited group. Sort of the same deterrent that prevents someone from sticking his hand in a whirring blender.
That said, I like good healthy debate, strong contrary opinions, taunting, and good 'ole sarcasm. And I don’t think that the forum necessarily needs the “Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval.” However, I don’t see the point or value of calling someone a Nazi or any other clearly derogatory name. At the moment, that only seems like frustration that could be channeled into better thought and comment on the topic at hand.
Something in particular has me confused, though, and I’d appreciate someone helping me to understand. IP is a relatively complicated topic. It requires above-average thought and analysis to make persuasive points. All of that being the case, what is the appeal of a “Jerry Springer” daytime talk show type of environment versus the alternative already suggested – saying only what you would to a person face to face? Isn’t it enough to say that you think a person’s opinion is flawed, without saying that the person is flawed?
Apparently, I am “A Capital Idiot”; a term devised and assigned, it seems, to me because I objected to being told off for using CAPS which is apparently called shouting in internet wonderland. Should I be honoured or insulted? I DuNno…
Any more “Capital Idiots” out there or am I the only one?
Strong words for someone who was the moderator but put himself and “his” forum above the global rules.[/quote]
I don’t think he did that at all. He did what you’re doing as moderator. He interpreted the global rules (aka “Da Rules”) and applied it to IP. Since the reading and application of the rules is naturally subjective, how one individual mod applies the rules will be different from the other. The moderation results will “flavor” the forum a certain way. Whether one result is “right” over another is a useless discussion but it appears not for reasons that still baffles me.
As I wrote in the IP forum once to Maoman, I argued that there needed to be additional rules or at least an FAQ for IP. He disagreed. He may rue not listening more closely to my advice. The current rules are vague enough to allow a great deal of leeway. This is normally a good thing where the people and overall community shows maturity. When there’s none of that, then, well, we get this unfortunate situation.
I hope cooler heads will eventually prevail. But if not, then I’ll be thankful for the “x” box.
[quote=“BroonAle”]Apparently, I am “A Capital Idiot”; a term devised and assigned, it seems, to me because I objected to being told off for using CAPS which is apparently called shouting in internet wonderland. Should I be honoured or insulted? I DuNno…
Any more “Capital Idiots” out there or am I the only one?
BroONaLe[/quote]
I think it’s hilarious. Someone has a delicious sense of humor Given your recent liberal use of “caps” in a forum, it is an inside joke, and I think that “A Capital Idiot” would be for a short duration only.
AFAIK Tigerman did not apply the rules at all to the IP forum, i.e. he “interpreted” them as non-existing which eventually led to the request for a new moderator. At this point I would like to point out that I have no intention to compete with Tigerman, he did things in a, let’s say, different way and even though I disagreed with him I have no hard feelings and from my point of view things could be put to rest.
But I am a bit perplexed about the way he argues his case (i.e. using those things he complains about to make a point) and disturbs the on-going discussions in the IP forum. If he has a point to make he can do so here, in an appropiate manner - it is not necessary to provoke, insult etc. other posters or the moderator(s).
I understand what he is trying to do but it is really necessary to keep on insulting and provoking those that offer a different point of view? He has made his point for everyone to see, so why does he continue to “make his point” in every other thread!?
He complains about the moderation and admiminstration but has also directed his insults at other posters, so I don’t buy his use of irony and sarcasm to show hypocrisy related to the moderating and administration of this website or the IP forum.
In case anyone wonders about the “shouting” (use of caps): I already clarified that it was not a violation of the rules nor did I say my request was related to any rules, but then there is no rule that prevents a moderator from making a suggestion or request that he/she might see as a benefit to the discussion(s).
I believe most people have agreed that people here should be treated as you would treat them in a face-to-face conversation. And there you wouldn’t shout at them, would you?
Anyhow, it’s not a big issue (to me) and there will of course be no consequences since the rules at this time do not prohibit such.
Your compliance with this request would however be much appreciated.
[quote=“lsieh”][quote=“BroonAle”]Apparently, I am “A Capital Idiot”; a term devised and assigned, it seems, to me because I objected to being told off for using CAPS which is apparently called shouting in internet wonderland. Should I be honoured or insulted? I DuNno…
Any more “Capital Idiots” out there or am I the only one?
BroONaLe[/quote]
I think it’s hilarious. Someone has a delicious sense of humor Given your recent liberal use of “caps” in a forum, it is an inside joke, and I think that “A Capital Idiot” would be for a short duration only.[/quote]
I tHinK iT iS VEry FunNy ToO. In FacT I aM flATTeNed By iT! NoW TherE Is A “BroonKnob” OUt TherE Too. WoW! SucH AcCoLades…I FeeL LiKe StevE MarTiN in “tHe JerK” WHeN He goT hIS namE in The PhoNe BooK: I haVE aRRiveD!!!
WTF do you mean “AFAIK”? The events that led to my ceasing to be moderator are recorded in the private forums. You don’t need to guess about and misrepresent those events. :fume: .
I did apply the rules as I interpreted them. And as I applied those rules as I interpreted them, I received support for my efforts and methods from Administrator Maoman (all the way until I finally resigned) and other Mods, as well as a fair number of posters.
I indicated that I did not wish to continue moderating the IP Forum approximately two months ago. At that time, Administrator Maoman asked that I not resign. I agreed, reluctantly to continue. Subsequently, after it became clear to ME that my notions about appropriate moderating and Moaman’s notions re the same differed greatly, I informed Administrator Maoman and the other Moderators that I no longer would moderate the IP Forum. Administrator Maoman accepted my resignation.
So what kind of bullshit are you peddling here, Moderator Rascal?
You’re going about a strange way of attempting to “put things to rest”. :fume:
Then you obviously do not understand sarcasm and irony.
You’re a hypocrite. And a slow learner, too.
Just yesterday you reprimanded me for airing differences in these public forums and indicated that these differences would be better conveyed in PMs. wolf pointed out your hypocrisy (as you were admonishing me in the public forum) and you replied “point taken”. Apparently, the point actually didn’t stick with you. :fume:
:fume: … as long as you criticize me in the public forum (and misrepresent events) then I will respond in these public forums.
That makes no sense, you… Village Idiot.
You signed that “request” as “Moderator Rascal”. How is such a request meant to be regarded when you flash your Moderator badge. WooHoo, Rascal is the heat!
Wouldn’t call them “liars” either, as you have done previously. Hypocrite.
Then shut up about it already.
Compliance? Why should anyone comply with this, as it isn’t a rule. Rules are meant to be complied with. You want people to respect your sensitivities… then start acting respectable.
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Given your recent liberal use of “caps” in a forum, it is an inside joke, and I think that “A Capital Idiot” would be for a short duration only.