I never heard of this guy until now. Mitt Romney is his name and he plans to run for president. I did some research on him and indeed his pockets are deep. No doubt he can afford to make a serious run for the office of president. But, is the US ready or willing to vote in a Mormon faithful?
Our country prides itself on freedom of religion and allowing all men to worship as they may…as long as it doesnt cause harm to the republic or its citizens. However, there always seems to be a knee jerk reaction of reeling back in disbelief or disapproval when you mention anything “mormon”. I really do wonder just how religously free our nation truly is.
I would not elect a person based on their religious beliefs…but I would choose not to elect a person on their personal belief system, including religion.
So, what do you think?
Please no mormon bashing! Hoping this can be a serious mature discussion.
I don’t know much about him except that he appears to be very bright, handsome, wealthy, connected and experienced. Yes, mormons may have some nutty beliefs, but one can’t argue with success and there’s no doubt that many mormons are great achievers. Romney appears to be one of them, though I’d want to know his specific policy views and prior acts.
I would say American voters are probably more willing to elect a well-qualified mormon as President than a well-qualified black or woman.
I would vote for a person based on their policies, experience, maturity, intelligence, leadership skills and so on. Their religion doesn’t matter, as long as they don’t make it matter. I don’t care for anyone who wears their religion on their sleeve.
[quote=“Mother Theresa”]I don’t know much about him except that he appears to be very bright, handsome, wealthy, connected and experienced. Yes, mormons may have some nutty beliefs, but one can’t argue with success and there’s no doubt that many mormons are great achievers. Romney appears to be one of them, though I’d want to know his specific policy views and prior acts.
I would say American voters are probably more willing to elect a well-qualified mormon as President than a well-qualified black or woman.[/quote]
MT:
I agree with you. It is a shame that in reality the US is still bogged down with racism and sexism. However, I do think Hillary has a pretty good shot at the White House. I don’t think she would make it all the way to being ellected president, but perhaps win her party’s nomination.
The fact that there even was an article about this guy’s religious beliefs shows that the media is ready to thrust it into the spotlight and make it an issue. It truly is frightening how much power the media really has…
Thus why ImaniOU has not bought her own newspaper in years. If I want a skewered, biased view of the world, I only have to look as far as the IP forum. And the comics are much funnier here.
I think as long as this guy doesn’t make his religion a part of his platform or policies, he’s okay. It’ll be nice to finally have someone who actually has God in their life instead someone who claims to be born again but has very little regard for human life or civil rights.
[quote=“BroonAle”]Just add another ‘m’ to the description of the current one and there you have it. A Mormon.
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Broon, sometimes meaningless spiteful posts (flame bate as some would define) are just simply childish and annoying.
Are you seriously implying that Mormon = Moron? are you wanting to pick a fight with someone or ruffle feathers? Did you not read the end of the oringinal post advising people to please not bash?
[quote=“Quarters”][quote=“BroonAle”]Just add another ‘m’ to the description of the current one and there you have it. A Mormon.
BroonAdds[/quote]
Broon, sometimes meaningless spiteful posts (flame bate as some would define) are just simply childish and annoying.
Are you seriously implying that Mormon = Moron? are you wanting to pick a fight with someone or ruffle feathers? Did you not read the end of the oringinal post advising people to please not bash?[/quote]
I believe Mr. Ale was referring to Mr. Bush as being only letter removed from being a Mormon. Not the other way around. Jumping to conclusions only leaves one with intellectual shin splints.
[quote=“ImaniOU”][quote=“Quarters”][quote=“BroonAle”]Just add another ‘m’ to the description of the current one and there you have it. A Mormon.
BroonAdds[/quote]
Broon, sometimes meaningless spiteful posts (flame bate as some would define) are just simply childish and annoying.
Are you seriously implying that Mormon = Moron? are you wanting to pick a fight with someone or ruffle feathers? Did you not read the end of the oringinal post advising people to please not bash?[/quote]
I believe Mr. Ale was referring to Mr. Bush as being only letter removed from being a Mormon. Not the other way around. Jumping to conclusions only leaves one with intellectual shin splints.[/quote]
I appreciate the optimism ImaniOU, but either way you look at it…forwards or backwards…what he was saying was that either Morons are not too far removed from Mormons or Mormons are not too far removed from Morons.
But anywhoo…why linger on this anways…
JD - I wish I could agree with you that no one gives a shit. But people really do. Watch in the coming months…as this guy climbs the political ladder and progresses his campaign, I bet you his religious beliefs will be addressed by the media far more than ihis political agenda. And the masses will all hold true to their leming ways and heed the word of the media.
[quote=“ImaniOU”][quote=“Quarters”][quote=“BroonAle”]Just add another ‘m’ to the description of the current one and there you have it. A Mormon.
BroonAdds[/quote]
Broon, sometimes meaningless spiteful posts (flame bate as some would define) are just simply childish and annoying.
Are you seriously implying that Mormon = Moron? are you wanting to pick a fight with someone or ruffle feathers? Did you not read the end of the oringinal post advising people to please not bash?[/quote]
I believe Mr. Ale was referring to Mr. Bush as being only letter removed from being a Mormon. Not the other way around. Jumping to conclusions only leaves one with intellectual shin splints.[/quote]
HA!
Welcome to IP. Here’s your target. Oh, you already have one.
[quote=“ImaniOU”][quote=“Quarters”][quote=“BroonAle”]Just add another ‘m’ to the description of the current one and there you have it. A Mormon.
BroonAdds[/quote]
Broon, sometimes meaningless spiteful posts (flame bate as some would define) are just simply childish and annoying.
Are you seriously implying that Mormon = Moron? are you wanting to pick a fight with someone or ruffle feathers? Did you not read the end of the oringinal post advising people to please not bash?[/quote]
I believe Mr. Ale was referring to Mr. Bush as being only letter removed from being a Mormon. Not the other way around. Jumping to conclusions only leaves one with intellectual shin splints.[/quote]
Correct.
But less contentiously…Mormons are far too orthodox and off-the-wall to be qualified to represent all the citizens of the United States. The U.S. could do without politicians citing God as a reason to serve the people. In fact God(s) should be put on hold in the U.S. political arena for some time as it just leads to bigotry, hatred and war. Just look at born-again Bush and his bloody crusades.
Can I get extra wives with a Utah driving licence?
If you want to try being a woman or Black or Asian or Hispanic anywhere else, let me know how that works out for you (better). Unbelievable. Where are you from?
I know that people like to trot this stuff out with great regularity and I know that no doubt it is highly ill-mannered of me to ask for proof, but I am going to go out on a limb anyway and (assume that the poster was referring to Bush) demand to know how “human life” and “civil rights” have declined or been under threat under Bush. No matter how many times the usual cast of f**ups (Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Marion Berry et al) claim that the election was “stolen” (and they would know about stealing wouldn’t they?), it does not make it so. Remember the whole tired media campaign during Bush’s first election where Black students (many of whom if they are like your average American student rarely read a newspaper or have a clue about an election) suddenly start asking if they will not be “three-fifths” of a person? Most of these “students” as with every other student in America were probably failing social studies or history at the time or had nary a clue about such constitutional intricacies, but hey… the media had a great story. Strange that it never followed up with the “tough questions” and “hard-nosed realism” that have been its hallmarks in dealing with the Bush administration and its officials. Right? haha
If you want to try being a woman or Black or Asian or Hispanic anywhere else, let me know how that works out for you (better). Unbelievable. Where are you from?[/quote]
Fred come on, you can’t deny that there are parts of the US that still harbor these feelings, can you? Perhaps the rest of the world is worse off but the US still isnt clear of it all.
(Born in California, raised throughout the US - was an Airforce brat and served in the Navy. Lived in CA, TX, IL, & OR)
Q, YOU said the US was “bogged down” in racism and sexism. Watch any TV lately? If racism were so pervasive, why all the mixed couples on TV? No media company is going to give up ad revenues to push a social agenda that people don’t want pushed.
this article sums up pretty well the problem he faces. if you’ve ever spoken to hardcore-type Christians about this issue you may know the kind of depth of feeling that can exist there.
“The tragedy–or, depending on your point of view, the irony–is that Mitt Romney may just be the most appealing candidate Republicans can field in 2008, the one most likely to win the White House by shoring up social conservatives and rallying business interests without frightening swing voters. Yet the modern GOP’s reliance on evangelical voters and its elevation of personal religiosity–strategies which have served the party so well in recent years–may doom the chances of this most promising candidate. Or, to put it in evangelical terms, it might be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for Mitt Romney to win the Republican nomination.”
[quote=“jdsmith”]Q, YOU said the US was “bogged down” in racism and sexism. Watch any TV lately? If racism were so pervasive, why all the mixed couples on TV? No media company is going to give up ad revenues to push a social agenda that people don’t want pushed.
Methinks your words are too strong.[/quote]
Did I mean “Bogged down with racism and sexism” in regards to being prepared to elect a black, latino, asian or female president? Yes, guilty as charged. I do feel that there is enough people still in the US that feel “uncomfortable” voting anyone in as desribed above to warrant the adjectives I chose.
However, the media is an entirely different world ruled and run by a few. The media has come leaps and bounds over the past few decades in its efforts to eliminate racism and sexism from the silver screen. However, what you see on TV and at the box office is not an accurate depiction of real life.
Go to any of the deep south states and ask the population there who they would be comfortable votinginto office - guarantee many would say no blacks or hispanics or asians. Ask Yuppie Ville USA behind closed doors who they would be comfortable voting into office and I am sure will get a different answer as to what they would admit to in public.
are you wanting to pick a fight with someone or ruffle feathers? Did you not read the end of the oringinal post advising people to please not bash?