Is Ma pushing us too close to China?

This US report raises a few questions:

quote- from TaipeiTimes

CRS report notes concern over Ma administration

By William Lowther
STAFF REPORTER IN WASHINGTON
Friday, Jun 04, 2010, Page 1

A new US congressional report, Democratic Reforms in Taiwan, says that some events under President Ma Ying-jeou’s (馬英九) administration have raised domestic and foreign concern.

In particular, the report by Shirley Kan, a specialist in Asian security affairs, singles out the heavy police presence to control protesters during the visit of a Chinese official in November 2008 and the “prolonged detention” of former president Chen Shui-bian (陳水扁).

“Under the ROC’s [Republic of China] Constitution, President Ma has the authority to grant amnesties or pardons,” the report says.

“Since 2008, a question has been whether and when Ma might use this power for former president Chen. Ma has not exercised that option and has not criticized his government, including the Justice Ministry and prosecutors. Ma has opted for distance from Chen’s case,” the report says.

As a result, observers in Taiwan and the US have “raised concerns.”

“A number of professors, writers, activists and ex-officials primarily in the United States have signed open letters on what they called the ‘erosion of justice’ in Taiwan,” the report says.

When the American Institute in Taiwan Director William Stanton met with the minister of justice in September last year and mentioned that some people in the US had commented on Chen’s case, he “encountered controversy in Taiwan’s government and media for supposed US interference,” the report says.

The Congressional Research Service (CRS) report concludes that US has played an important role in Taiwan’s transition to democracy by decreasing the nation’s sense of insecurity through arms sales and other contacts.

The US Congress has also helped, the report says, “by pressing the KMT [Chinese Nationalist Party] regime to end authoritarian abuses of power in favor of freedoms for all the people in Taiwan, including the majority Taiwanese.”

The report says that a sustainable democracy helps Taiwan to guard against “undue” Chinese influence as cross-strait engagement has intensified under Ma.

“A Taiwan that promotes values of democracy and freedom would be more likely to be strategically oriented in alignment with the US and US allies in Asia and Europe,” the report says.

The report says the US Congress has a long record of oversight of the human rights aspect of White House foreign policy toward Taiwan.

Congress could enact legislation or take other actions to promote human rights and legal reform in Taiwan, it says.

“Members as well as staff could intensify inter-parliamentary exchanges with Taiwan’s Legislative Yuan and its staff to build up that democratic institution,” it says.

“Congressional and staff delegations could further observe Taiwan’s elections and attend presidential inaugurations” the report concludes.

“In contrast to the Executive Branch which is restricted by the State Department’s guidelines on contact with Taiwan’s officials, Congress could use its greater flexibility in communicating with Taiwan’s officials up to the president to enhance engagement that promotes US values, democracy and rule of law,” it says.

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I think Chen should be let out as soon as he remits back the funds he illegally received. He shouldnt receive a Prez pardon otherwise. But he should be a free man soon. Dont jail him indefinitely. A life sentence makes TW seem Communist.

Ma’s saber rattling with Japan early on in his admin was unfriendly with a strong Taiwan ally (Japan). The recent refusal to redraw an Air Traffic Zone is also strangely Anti-Japanese and smells strongly of CCP . The US made a mistake of drawing this line over a Japanese held island, which is actually incorrect. Why can the Japanese not have air control over their own island? Doesnt make sense.

Is Ma being a CCP puppet? Does he know something we dont yet know?

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TAiwan the frog in a pot of bother?

Nice article.

Nobody in their right mind believes that Ma is good for Taiwan. He is, of course, good for the Republic of China, whether or not one bothers to put the word “People’s” in front of that.

Think that’s been going on for a very long time now from the very moment he was elected. :frowning: It’s like waiting for a train wreck to happen.

I mean, just on Google news, you see this: clickie

It’ll take a miracle for the day when Taiwan’s sport teams will no longer be known as (idiotically) “Chinese Taipei”. For now, Taiwan is still kow-towing as long as Ma is there. I bet China will add an additional 2,000 missiles during the next presidential election. >__<

Derision for your political opponents? :laughing: :no-no: :no-no: :whistle:

I treat the KMT and Ma with all the respect they deserve.

Got a problem with that?

[quote=“urodacus”]I treat the KMT and Ma with all the respect they deserve.

Got a problem with that?[/quote]

I wouldn’t argue with Urodacus; if you don’t agree with him you’re clearly insane, and you’ll never get into the discos again.

[quote=“urodacus”]I treat the KMT and Ma with all the respect they deserve.

Got a problem with that?[/quote]

I treat Gaza activists, Western apologists, and Islamic fascists with all the respect they deserve.

Got a problem with that?

Yeah, what he said. :slight_smile:

Funnily enough, I support the Israeli actions and their right to blockade Gaza. Sometimes it’s not so cut and dried as a simple left/right split.

Long as Ma leaves office without not too much Ma-fan you know what I mean? Yo?

It is in the interest of USA to keep China divided, just as it is for centuries in the interest of UK (and also later USA) to keep Europe divided.

These Anglo-Saxon thalassocracies always feared emerging continental empires.

[quote=“JFP”]It is in the interest of USA to keep China divided, just as it is for centuries in the interest of UK (and also later USA) to keep Europe divided.

These Anglo-Saxon thalassocracies always feared emerging continental empires.[/quote]

Uh dont think so.

I fear the worst for Taiwan. My eyebrows have been raised ever since Ma announced that compulsory military service would end. It just seems like every step that has been taken by this administration has brought Taiwan closer to China. I think the thing I fear the most is Chinese workers coming to Taiwan. So many bad things will come of that. The ECFA is a slap in the face to the wishes of the general public and is designed to make Taiwan more dependent on China. It’s like Ma has already accepted that one day reunification will happen and there is no path to independence, so he’s just giving China every concession he can. If Ma is reelected in 2012, I think we’ll see some attempts at making Taiwan an SEZ of China before 2016. I just hope that when that time comes, immigrants from China are blocked, and Taiwan still keeps all its freedoms in a much greater capacity than Hong Kong kept its. Hopefully Taiwan will also be more capable of trading freely without China trying to block everything.
God, on this issue, I absolutely loathe China and the majority of Chinese.

[quote=“XinBiDe”]I fear the worst for Taiwan. My eyebrows have been raised ever since Ma announced that compulsory military service would end. It just seems like every step that has been taken by this administration has brought Taiwan closer to China. I think the thing I fear the most is Chinese workers coming to Taiwan. So many bad things will come of that. The ECFA is a slap in the face to the wishes of the general public and is designed to make Taiwan more dependent on China. It’s like Ma has already accepted that one day reunification will happen and there is no path to independence, so he’s just giving China every concession he can. If Ma is reelected in 2012, I think we’ll see some attempts at making Taiwan an SEZ of China before 2016. I just hope that when that time comes, immigrants from China are blocked, and Taiwan still keeps all its freedoms in a much greater capacity than Hong Kong kept its. Hopefully Taiwan will also be more capable of trading freely without China trying to block everything.
God, on this issue, I absolutely loathe China and the majority of Chinese.[/quote]

Just FYI, but the most reduction of military service time occurred under the DPP, who nearly cut it in half to garner votes and did very little to beef up the military. I’m pretty sure that trend would have continued under a DPP administration, with much the same conclusion.

I do think that there’s no reason we shouldn’t have a referendum on ECFA. On the other hand, I suspect that most people would vote for it rather than against it. The DPP needs to com up with a concrete, logical alternative to attract people instead of simply opposing it.

Military service is outdated. Military technology has increased to the point where it’s just not about guys running round with rifles anymore. The military doesn’t like compulsory service because they spend all this time and money training everybody, and then they just leave!

That’s why most advanced nations have a small, highly trained permanent army navy and airforce.

Conscripts tend to make crap soldiers, anyway. Volunteers who really enjoy shooting shit up are a bit better.

If Ma really wanted to be serious about bringing Taiwan closer to China, he would reintroduce conscription. So I guess in that aspect he has failed.

[quote=“tommy525”][quote=“JFP”]It is in the interest of USA to keep China divided, just as it is for centuries in the interest of UK (and also later USA) to keep Europe divided.

These Anglo-Saxon thalassocracies always feared emerging continental empires.[/quote]

Uh dont think so.[/quote]
I actually, funnily enough, agree with JFP on this point. I think it’s a pretty well known tenet of recent history (last 500 years) and geo-politics. Although I may not have used “Anglo-Saxon thalassocracies” as a term to describe it.
Smacks of envy. French envy…

[quote=“ice raven”]Military service is outdated. Military technology has increased to the point where it’s just not about guys running round with rifles anymore. The military doesn’t like compulsory service because they spend all this time and money training everybody, and then they just leave!

That’s why most advanced nations have a small, highly trained permanent army navy and airforce.[/quote]
Well, there will always be infantry. Pretty hard to hold ground without them. But sure, professional militaries are definitely the way forward for technologically advanced fighting forces.

I don’t understand why Taiwan doesn’t just buy thousands of ABM’s to counter the threat from Chinese missiles. Can anyone answer that one from a position of knowledge?

China only has to ensure total annihilation of a postage stamp, the postage stamp has to cover a very large area at much further range to defeat China. MIssiles are not defensive weapons, so they might not find anyone willing to sell them to Taiwan. and ABM (do you mean anti-ballistic missiles) are not the issue here: most of the missiles China has arrayed against Taiwan are short to medium range missiles, not following predictable long range ballistic paths (ie, flying in a predictable parabolic arc) but much flatter, shorter trajectories from mobile bases. China definitely has the upper hand.

Now, if Taiwan were able to counter the threat with a screen of submarine launched nuclear missiles, say several thousand of them, and threaten to irradiate most of the large population centers in China, then there might be a better balance of power. Still, the Chinese would most likely think the loss of millions of hungry mouths to be a fair swap for taking Taiwan. Some PLA generals and PRC foreign ministry mouthpieces have repeatedly said in the past that they would be willing to sacrifice almost anything to ‘reclaim’ the renegade province, including membership of the UN, WHO, WTO, and hosting the Olympics and World Expo. Now that those last two are out of the way, Taiwan had better watch out! China only really needs access to the west for minerals, as their domestic market can pretty much pick up most of the demand from their factories now.

Illuminati has been pushing for one world government for quite some time now. The US government is pulling all the strings. Taiwan’s last president said public that he was just following the order of the US government / Illuminati. Taiwan is just a puppet.