Is the Blacklist real?


#21

Here is a link to more than one site. Some useful links for many things, not only buxiban stuff.

lll.boe.tcc.edu.tw/a10.htm

This is something that not one poster would object to, surely. Should you object, PM me, and I will discuss it, possibly ignore it :wink: but you can try.

NO MORE “WTF” e-mails please. GROW UP


#22

Hey Bassman,

You are giving away all of our secrets! :shock:


#23

What? Why did you remove the link?

Brian


#24

I removed the link because I thought what if Aristotle came accross it, he’d start plastering the whole thing all over the web. That is not what I wanted. I use the site but I object to many things there esp the blacklist, I have heard too many stories of unjustifiable blacklistings.

I would give you the link by PM though. In that respect I agree with our mystery PM writer and removed the link, but hey, it is still there amoungst all the links on the site that I posted :wink: Just to show everyone just how public the site is.


#25

let me explain some more…

If I were illegal and looking for a part time job I wouldn’t want someone understanding, after checking my name, that I didn’t have any legal documentation for teaching in Taiwan or perhaps that I am miles away from the place that has issued my ARC.

Perhaps I wouldn’t want everone to know where I am and who I really work for either.


#26

Yeah, giving that idiot the link is like giving a three year old a loaded gun.


#27

I thought it would be very useful for teachers who have had a run-in with their employers to see whether or not they have been blacklisted.

I am also curious to know what actually exists or doesn’t exist int he way of blacklists.

This one:

ap4.kh.edu.tw/afterschool/foreig … n_list.jsp

seems to be the Buxiban associations blacklist.

Do the MOE actually have one though. I thought they don’t. Then someone claimed they actually do. I still doubt it unless I see the evidence.

What do you actually fear that someone like Aristotle might do with such a list? The only people I can see causing harm with the list would be employers (by refusing to employ or firing someone who might be on the list but who have actually done nothing wrong other than piss off a bad employer). But it’s the teachers, not the employers who lack the Chinese skills to access these lists.

Brian


#28

Brian.

That is quite a nasty little list that I’m sure a malcontent could do considerable harm with.

No supporting evidence, just the school’s say so. Sadly, I’m not surprised.

HG


#29

If you are on the list that I first posted the MOE won’t touch you. Try processing an application, it won’t go through. So, the MOE does use this resource. It doesn’t have MOE stamped all over it but they are connected.

I knew someone before in the MOE that could get your name off that list in a snap, sadly, he is no longer with the MOE, he moved on to greener pastures.


#30

What we have, I believe is the government, MOE, hiding behind an association. All the documentation comes off the MOE files. Names, nationalities, etc.

It makes for some very interesting reading when you research your competition :wink: If I was a bad egg I probably wouldn’t have any competition anymore, however, you may find me in a pine box afterwards. So, I’d never use the information, it’s more a “you know that I know and I know that you know kind of thing”.

Shite… a black Benz has just pulled up … they’ve been watching.


#31

Two things.

  1. What harm can that list do? Give me an example.

  2. If an applicant has all the necessary documentation and qualifications for a work permit, on what legal grounds can the MOE deny her one?

Brian


#32

[quote=“Bu Lai En”]Two things.

  1. What harm can that list do? Give me an example.

  2. If an applicant has all the necessary documentation and qualifications for a work permit, on what legal grounds can the MOE deny her one?

Brian[/quote]

  1. It’s private information, names (full names), nationalities, and locations, school addresses etc. Mental xiao jies could use this list to stalk us all.
    The list has people on it that do deserve to be on it and many that don’t, I heard of a few and supplied information to try and help them off the list or at least get another job. Bosses lie.

You are giving everyone with a computer details that you may not want to share with others. There is no way to be removed from the directory of teachers list, as far as I know.

  1. If you have not completed your contract then the MOE in that area will refuse to give you another permit because you didn’t meet your legal obligation of a one year contract. Or so they say.

#33

[quote]1) It’s private information, names (full names), nationalities, and locations, school addresses etc. Mental xiao jies could use this list to stalk us all.
The list has people on it that do deserve to be on it and many that don’t, I heard of a few and supplied information to try and help them off the list or at least get another job. Bosses lie.
[/quote]

The list is already on the net, whatsmore it’s linked there from Chinese language sites. Putting it on an English language site isn’t goingto make it more accessible to psycho xiaojies. I’m talking about the blacklist I posted above btw not the list of all teachers, but the same would apply ot that.

Seems pretty flimsy to me. If the contract was breached by the employer, or the employee was filed, or the employee paid thge penalty for early termination of the contract then they’ve performed their legal obligation. You could probably file an administrative appeal.

Brian


#34

You could file an admin appeal but after your ARC is chopped up you have 7 days to leave the country. How many teachers can get an appeal organised in that time … toooooo late. That is where the employers feel that they have it won.


#35

They cant touch me cause I’m illegal working. Heh. You can’t find me on any of those lists! Just use a fake name and cash over the table. god I love taiwan


#36

I do not agree that posting this link here can do any more harm than is currently being done by its publication to “those in the know” in the buxiban industry whose only interest is perpetuation the disgraceful and unlawful way in which buxiban teachers are taken advantage of. (cue violins) Is it any wonder the MoE and the police aren’t interested in persuing the criminal libel of the person in the Case of the Forged Letter ?

The address (163.18.250.34) of the server on which this information is posted turns out to be on (surprise surprise):

inetnum: 163.18.0.0 - 163.18.255.255
netname: TANET
descr: Taiwan Academic Network
descr: Ministry of Education computer Center
descr: 12F, No 106, Sec. 2, Heping E. Rd., Taipei

The MoE’s network.

So:

Teachers Yet to be Shat upon: ap4.kh.edu.tw/afterschool/foreig … n_list.jsp

Teachers already Shat upon: ap4.kh.edu.tw/afterschool/foreig … n_list.jsp


#37

I learned some surprising facts: there’s a ton of Canadians here! Biggest teaching group according to the stats…

Kenneth


#38

see, what did I say, it’s all the MoE


#39

And it’s mostly in English

ap4.kh.edu.tw/afterschool/Englis … e_form.jsp

Kenneth


#40

[quote]And it’s mostly in English

ap4.kh.edu.tw/afterschool/Englis … e_form.jsp

Kenneth[/quote]

I got an error 404. Have they moved it to stop us knowing if we’re here?

But I’m off the blacklist! Huzzah!