Is traffic the worst part of Taiwan's lingering third worldism?

Malaysian tourists assaulted by local on their first day in Taiwan. How did they end up in this situation? They took a picture of the car’s plates and the driver lost his shit…

The tourists were just amused to see a license plate that was the same number as their friend’s plates and took a picture.

CoPilot translation of article:

Malaysian Tourists Brawl on First Day in Taiwan After Photographing License Plate at Ningxia Night Market

Last night, a man surnamed Wu drove to Taipei’s Ningxia Night Market. He became upset when three people, including a man surnamed Chang, photographed his car’s license plate. Suspecting they were “reporting enthusiasts” who document traffic violations, Wu confronted them, leading to a street fight. Both sides suffered bruises and abrasions. Police intervened, and although neither party filed charges, the case was referred to the Shilin District Prosecutors Office on suspicion of group fighting.

Police investigation revealed that a 65‑year‑old Malaysian man surnamed Chang, his 33‑year‑old daughter, and his 49‑year‑old son‑in‑law surnamed Yen had just arrived in Taiwan for sightseeing. On their first evening, while visiting Ningxia Night Market, they noticed a car with a license plate identical to a friend’s. They took a photo intending to send it to that friend, which angered Wu, the car’s owner.

Believing the trio were trying to report him for violations, Wu confronted them. The dispute escalated into a physical altercation. When police arrived, Wu had bruising around his eye, Yen had an eye bruise and arm abrasions, and Chang had abrasions on his arm. Although neither side pressed charges afterward, police still referred the case for prosecution due to the public brawl.

I still remember a couple years ago I was in Taipei to run the Standard Charted Half-Marathon. I was near an intersection looking at my phone trying to figure out how to walk to a place to get a quick dinner the day before the race. A guy drives up and illegally parks on the red line next to the crosswalk. He gets out and notices me and then with a nasty look on his face walks around to the side of me to try see what I’m looking at on my phone. Once he saw I was looking at google maps he finally walked off. Ridiculous that I have to worry about some guy going off on me just for having my phone out.


Another student hit. Middle school student crossing on the crosswalk hit by a left turning driver. Neither of them called the police. The footage was posted online and they police saw it and followed up on it and check up on the student and issue fines to the driver. Since the driver didn’t call the police he might also get a hit and run charge.


Apparently Taiwan’s “first protected bike lane” is a failure because buses, delivery trucks, taxi, cars, etc. all park there and block it. Even when police were there to monitor the area the news crew filmed a woman on a scooter going against traffic by riding on the bike lane right in front of an officer.


The zig-zagging roads are in the news again. This time for Chiayi, although they are a common problem in many areas of Taiwan. Always built the roads wrong, then realized they needed a dedicated turn lane but rather than spend the money to fix it and move the divider and all the electrical equipment, etc. just have the lines suddenly shift over 2-4m and having a lane suddenly disappear and then hope to god that everyone shifts back 2-4m on the other side of the intersection. Terrible design. Dangerous and inefficient.


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The famous Taiwanese friendliness. Wait until they try the food!

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Did the officer do anything?

I have seen more cops breaking the law than I have seen them stop people who break the law in front f them…

How have they still not banned left turns

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I really appreciate all of your information/reporting. This issue is the only one that truly matters to me because it is so grave. Eight more months to get my freedom of movement back.

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Only in Taiwán

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Article about the speed/traffic cams and adjustments to them and their use.

Taiwan to adjust some speed camera locations

Government to set new speed camera rules and relocate some units.

[Taiwan News link]

Some call the number of speed cameras a national disgrace.

Just the cameras…not public reports or those caught by police.

The ministry noted that during the first ten months of this year, the cameras nationwide issued 1,448,869 traffic violation fines, mainly for failing to yield to pedestrians and running red lights. This is higher than last year’s total of 843,999 fines.

Also adjustments to speed cameras and the use of them.

the National Police Agency said that it will first upgrade the design of certain road sections to reduce traffic accidents, with speed cameras to be considered only if the improvements fail to lower accident rates. The agency added that some cameras will be moved to more visible locations and marked with warning signs.

lol, loss of face because the cameras are working too well. Better get those numbers down by warning people about the cameras!

They should also improve driver education by making sure everyone knows there are free apps that can warn when a camera is coming up!

2 high school students crossing in Taichung hit by left turning driver. 8 lane wide road. No sidewalks and no pedestrian island.

Hilarious!

Patato? :thinking:

I am curious about the decision-making regarding traffic lights. Being a big fan of pedestrian-only phases after having experienced how relaxing, no, liberating it feels to x-cross a busy intersection without having to worry about left-turning lunatics, I want more of that on my daily way to work. I have two intersection in particular in mind that would be perfect for three-phase traffic lights. Who is in charge? Or better, who is in a position to put fire under the ass of whoever is in charge? The lizhang of the borough where the intersection is located? The police precinct? Some parent association with influence (if the intersection is near a school)?

For us mortals, perhaps sending a petition to the Transportation Department is the only option?

New Taipei City

I might try that :slight_smile:

10 minutes layterrrr…

Done. If the two intersections I have suggested to the department will implement a pedestrian exclusive phase in the next half year or so, I will be as proud as a :peacock:

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Stroads without sidewalks:

For stuff regarding traffic lights then it’s the local govt. traffic dept. that is responsible for those. If it’s on a prov. highway then that might fall under the Highway Bureau. My experience has been that writing in to the local transportation bureau and having a section fall under the Highway Bureau resulted in them forward my message to the Highway Bureau.

In my experience with the Southern, Central, and Eastern Highway Bureau offices they have given me more detailed responses than the local traffic departments. I’ve gotten quite a few calls from the Central and Eastern Highway Bureau offices before to confirm and to better understand the point I’m making or to provide explanations and tell me how they will proceed forward. To their credit, on the phone they have always been polite and patient with me.

Before I used this platform the most:

https://road-inform.thb.gov.tw/

This is the MOTC intersection improvement platform suggestion website. Basically your message will get forwarded to the relevant departments.

I stopped using it though as I have gotten zero response from them in months now when reporting anything in Taichung. Not sure if it will still work for other cities/counties though as I mostly only report/suggest stuff in Taichung.

So now instead I use Taichung’s own platform: 台中陳情平台 (Taichung petition platform) which is basically the same thing, but just for Taichung and the suggestion/petition/complaint/etc will get forward to the relevant departments.

I believe most of the major cities/counties have such a platform.

Can just search the city/county + 陳情平台 or 市民信箱 or 1999 and that should bring it up. I think Taipei is the only one that has an English option though.

Anyways through the use of these platforms I’ve been able to get pedestrian crossing signals installed, improved lighting at intersections for pedestrians, improved road markings, lengthened crossing times, etc. at various places.

Oh also really good to use the local platforms for reporting issues about broken traffic or crossing lights. In my experience Taichung has usually been really good about this, coming out and fixing them within half a day to 2 days.

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I think I used this for New Taipei City. Don’t expect any reply. Changes on the ground would be great, though. I think there has been a lot going on in the background already. It’s a slow grind. Only severe accidents make the process quicker, which is really sad.

TIL:
Running a red light falls under Article 53. But slow vehicles are not included.

Running a red light with this vehicle falls under Article 74 (failure to obey traffic signals).
Article 74 is NOT listed in Article 7-1 as a reportable offense. Therefore, the police generally cannot issue a ticket based solely on a citizen’s video report; they must catch the offender in person.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Sometimes the offender is ignored by lazy cops, sometimes the offender just keeps going when the cops try to stop them. I’ve seen both of these, I’ve never seen the cops successfully stop a red light runner (except, once, me; but that was a red light without an intersection and I learned from the locals that it was normal to ignore it except when getting close to the end of the year when those useless cops took advantage of the stupidity to meet their quota)

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“Slow vehicles” includes motorcycles or not in this case?

Those electric scooters with speed limited to 25km/h are considered slow vehicles.

I submitted video of a woman running a red light near a school and not yielding to pedestrians. Report can not be accepted.

I did not expect much. The license plates on those are in such a font that even the HD camera footage makes it hard to read the plate. Another fail by the government making the plates font so tight.

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Ok, so basically scooters and cars running red lights can be reported by video - electric scooters, bikes (and pedestrians?) can not be reported.

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Pedestrian almost hit by a cement truck. Traffic is stopping for a red light and a cement truck rear ends the stopped vehicles and veers off the road, barely missing a pedestrian on the sidewalk.


Bus rear ends multiple vehicles. Scooter rider may have to have his leg amputated. He basically got sandwiched between the bus and the car. Traffic was at a stand still.


Travel bus just straight up comes up from behind runs over a guy and crushes his head, killing him on the spot on an open road. Entire inner lane wide open and the bus driver decides to hit the scooter rider and kill him. To me it looks like another dangerous driver who tries to scrape your side to overtake you rather than doing the safe thing and fully changing lanes and do a proper overtake. Tour bus driver is only 35yrs. old.

I find it funny how the news here says the tour bus is travelling normally…as they are showing the bus driver crossing over the double white markings :person_facepalming: Don’t worry, despite come from behind the scooter the news helps the driver by saying the scooter was in the blind spot…


Hmm that’s unusual. Did you click the confirmation link in the e-mail they sent you?


Slow vehicles don’t include motorcycles (green/white plates). Common misconception on the roads here regarding this. Given the govt. bans motorcycles on various normal lanes, roads, etc. and forces them into narrow lanes along bridges or detours etc. with cyclists it’s easy to understand why people think they are “slow” vehicles.

As for reporting light electric scooters for running a red light try article 60-2-3 which basically covers various other road marking violations not generally covered in some of the other ones. That might work.


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