Islam, please control your nutcases!

Yet another example of some of the extreme stupidity that exists among the so-called leaders of the Islamic world.

It seems every time they open their mouths, they say something even more ridiculous.

I can only shake my head.

[quote]October 26, 2006
Muslim cleric blames women for rape
By ROHAN SULLIVAN

SYDNEY, Australia (AP) - Australia’s most prominent Islamic cleric vowed Thursday to stand strong against widespread outrage over his description of women who don’t wear head scarves as “uncovered meat” who invite rape.

Sheik Taj Aldin al-Hilali, long a lightning rod in strained relations between the government and the Muslim minority, apologized for any offence he caused women in making the comments a month ago during a sermon marking the Islamic holy month of Ramadan. But he said he had no intention of stepping down.

Prime Minister John Howard and others denounced al-Hilali’s remarks as blaming women for rape, and there were calls for the cleric to quit or be removed from his role as mufti in the faith.

The controversy comes amid tense relations between Australia’s estimated 300,000 Muslims and the rest of the mostly Christian-heritage population of about 20 million. Last December, the country was gripped by riots that often pitted gangs of white youths against youths of Middle Eastern decent.

Howard recently offended parts of the Muslim community by singling out some Muslims as extremists who should adopt Australia’s liberal attitudes to women’s rights.

After last year’s deadly London transit bombings, Howard accused Australian Islamic leaders of not doing enough to condemn extremism and offered government money to train local imams and reduce dependence on migrant clerics. The government has also introduced tough counterterrorism laws and is proposing tighter citizenship rules.

The issue of how Muslim women should dress has caused debate in Britain since former foreign secretary Jack Straw, now leader of the House of Commons, said this month that Muslim women visiting his office should remove their veils. Similar passions raged when France banned head scarves and other religious symbols in public schools two years ago.

Al-Hilali, 65, is the top cleric at Sydney’s largest mosque, and is considered the most senior Islamic leader by many Muslims in Australia and New Zealand, having been appointed mufti by Australia’s top Islamic body.

His remarks about women drew national attention after they were printed Thursday in a national newspaper, The Australian.

In a translation from Arabic by the newspaper, later verified by other media, al-Hilali was quoted as saying in the sermon: “If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside . . . and the cats come to eat it . . . whose fault is it, the cats’ or the uncovered meat’s?”

“The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred,” he was quoted as saying, referring to the head scarf worn by some Muslim women.

Australia’s Sex Discrimination Commissioner Pru Goward said al-Hilali’s comments encouraged rape and that Muslims should force him to step down.

“This is inciting young men to a violent crime because it is the woman’s fault,” Goward told television’s Nine Network. “It is time the Islamic community did more than say they were horrified. I think it is time he left.”

Howard said the comments were “appalling and reprehensible.”

“The idea that women are to blame for rapes is preposterous,” he told reporters.

Al-Hilali also faced pressure from within the Muslim community.

“Whether he steps down or not, I think it’s time for Australia’s Muslim faith to have a religious leader who has a better understanding of Australian laws, Australian values, and the Australian way of life,” said Alia Karaman, a female member of a leaders’ group at a Sydney mosque.

Al-Hilali issued a statement Thursday saying The Australian had selectively quoted from the sermon, and that he was shocked at the reaction.

“I would like to unequivocally confirm that the presentation related to religious teachings on modesty and not to go to extremes in enticements,” the statement said.

“This does not condone rape, I condemn rape,” he said. “Women in our Australian society have the freedom and right to dress as they choose, the duty of man is to avert his glance or walk away.”

Asked if he would quit his senior post, al-Hilali told Seven Network television news: “No, no, no.”

Al-Hilali is an Egyptian-born Sunni who has been a staunch critic of Australia’s alliance with the United States in the Iraq war. He triggered a controversy in 2004 for saying in a sermon in Lebanon that the Sept. 11 attacks were “God’s work against the oppressors.” Al-Hilali said later he did not support the attacks, or terrorism.

Last year, al-Hilali travelled to Iraq to help negotiate the release of an Australian engineer from kidnappers, winning thanks from the hostage’s family.

Many Australian Muslims say they are increasingly treated with suspicion since the Sept. 11 and other international terrorist attacks.

Waleed Aly, a member of the Islamic Council of Victoria state, said al-Hilali’s comments would result in more antagonism toward Muslims.

“I am expecting a deluge of hate mail,” he said. “I am expecting people to get abused in the street and get abused at work.”[/quote]

Guess they’ve got their Pat Robertsons too.

Fundamentalism, no matter what religion or ideology it is, is a Bad Thing.

Forumosa, please control your nutcases!!!

Nope… they’re still beaking off. sigh

If only the nuts would respond to my universal remote control. (I only use it for good… really. Ok, sometimes my good. But it’s not working. Maybe it’s the battery. I should check that… I’ll put it on my list of things to do.

Right. There are [i]soooo[/i] many Muslims being beheaded by Chrisitian terrorists.

:unamused:

Poor Jaboney…if only he could control the real world like his classroom everything would be hunky-dory. Oh well…A is for Apple, B is for Ball…

[quote=“Jaboney”]Forumosa, please control your nutcases!!!
[/quote]

If you think I’m a nutcase for starting this thread, expressing my outrage over this story, like many others around the world already have, then that’s fine with me. :wink:

You’re obviously not really aware of what’s going on in the world then.

I’m not trolling. I’m expressing my opinion. You’re free to disagree with it, ya know. I can’t imagine you siding with the Muslim cleric on this one though, eh?

No, not you Mer. :rainbow:
It’s an outrageous thing for the cleric to say.
Your title’s fairly outrageous too, but differently so. That was my joke. Can you control what the nutcases here say?

Come on, Dr. Evil. “A” is for Allah; “B” is Bomb; “C” is for Crusade, “D” is for Don’t You Think It’s Time to Think?

[quote=“Jaboney”]No, not you Mer. :rainbow:
It’s an outrageous thing for the cleric to say.
Your title’s fairly outrageous too, but differently so. That was my joke. Can you control what the nutcases here say?
[/quote]

My apologies Jaboney. I read into your post the wrong way. :blush:

[quote=“Mer”][quote=“Jaboney”]Forumosa, please control your nutcases!!!
[/quote]

If you think I’m a nutcase for starting this thread, expressing my outrage over this story, like many others around the world already have, then that’s fine with me. :wink:

You’re obviously not really aware of what’s going on in the world then.

I’m not trolling. I’m expressing my opinion. You’re free to disagree with it, ya know. I can’t imagine you siding with the Muslim cleric on this one though, eh?[/quote]

What is going on in the world then? This cleric makes a moronic statement. It’s no different from all the other moronic ones made on a daily basis.

And as for Dr. Evil’s comment about beheadings, I wonder how many are beheaded when a bomb from above is dropped.

To get your panties in a wad over the bad things Muslims do and say when everyone else is doing the same thing begs the question of whether you’d point out the same when the people you identify most closely with do the same thing.

[quote=“NeonNoodle”][quote=“Mer”][quote=“Jaboney”]Forumosa, please control your nutcases!!!
[/quote]

If you think I’m a nutcase for starting this thread, expressing my outrage over this story, like many others around the world already have, then that’s fine with me. :wink:

You’re obviously not really aware of what’s going on in the world then.

I’m not trolling. I’m expressing my opinion. You’re free to disagree with it, ya know. I can’t imagine you siding with the Muslim cleric on this one though, eh?[/quote]

What is going on in the world then? This cleric makes a moronic statement. It’s no different from all the other moronic ones made on a daily basis.

And as for Dr. Evil’s comment about beheadings, I wonder how many are beheaded when a bomb from above is dropped.

To get your panties in a wad over the bad things Muslims do and say when everyone else is doing the same thing begs the question of whether you’d point out the same when the people you identify most closely with do the same thing.[/quote]

And you want to defend this piece of shit Cleric? That is truly comical. I didn’t honestly think anyone would attempt that.

There’s a big difference in the circumstances of why a bomb is dropped and why someone loses their head. You can’t lump it all together in the same basket.

To answer your question, yes, I would be equally critical of any other world religions’ leaders making stupid comments, or doing ‘bad things’ as you suggested. Islam though, IMO, has yet to clean itself up to the extent the other religions in the world have, with regards to merging with modern times, democracy, human rights, gender equality, and the list goes on.
That is my criticism. I feel it is warranted. This latest story only further highlights the issue.

Mer -
I agree with your outrage over the “hands-off” treatment being given to this nut case by the MSM and certain elements on chatboards around the world.
There is a double standard. But thankfully, due to the efforts of many the lack of response to these “clerics” by the supposed mainstream Muslims is being highlighted more and more.
The days of Islam being sheltered by the PC elite is quickly ending.

What’s especially delicious is that Sheik Taj Aldin al-Hilali has always been considered to be a “moderate”…

:roflmao:

[quote=“TainanCowboy”]The days of Islam being sheltered by the PC elite is quickly ending.[/quote]I keep hearing the Saudi regime referred to as ‘moderate’ by those in power discussing ‘our allies in the region’. But I never realized that the house of Saud was sheltering under the protective hand of the PC crowd. Thanks for clearing that up.

My my my…guess who agrees with you?

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4532155.stm

So…if we can’t make the world perfect in one fell swoop, we shouldn’t do anything at all, right? Thanks for clearing [i]that[/i] up.

Right. There are [i]soooo[/i] many Muslims being beheaded by Christian terrorists. :unamused:[/quote]
Right. Damn those Amish terrorists! Damn them to hell! :fume:

[quote=“Mer”][quote=“NeonNoodle”][quote=“Mer”][quote=“Jaboney”]Forumosa, please control your nutcases!!!
[/quote]

If you think I’m a nutcase for starting this thread, expressing my outrage over this story, like many others around the world already have, then that’s fine with me. :wink:

You’re obviously not really aware of what’s going on in the world then.

I’m not trolling. I’m expressing my opinion. You’re free to disagree with it, ya know. I can’t imagine you siding with the Muslim cleric on this one though, eh?[/quote]

What is going on in the world then? This cleric makes a moronic statement. It’s no different from all the other moronic ones made on a daily basis.

And as for Dr. Evil’s comment about beheadings, I wonder how many are beheaded when a bomb from above is dropped.

To get your panties in a wad over the bad things Muslims do and say when everyone else is doing the same thing begs the question of whether you’d point out the same when the people you identify most closely with do the same thing.[/quote]

And you want to defend this piece of shit Cleric? That is truly comical. I didn’t honestly think anyone would attempt that.

There’s a big difference in the circumstances of why a bomb is dropped and why someone loses their head. You can’t lump it all together in the same basket.

To answer your question, yes, I would be equally critical of any other world religions’ leaders making stupid comments, or doing ‘bad things’ as you suggested. Islam though, IMO, has yet to clean itself up to the extent the other religions in the world have, with regards to merging with modern times, democracy, human rights, gender equality, and the list goes on.
That is my criticism. I feel it is warranted. This latest story only further highlights the issue.[/quote]

I am not defending the cleric. Learn how to read.

Yes, I guess there is a difference with the kind of beheadings. Dropping bombs is cowardly.

Learn how to think.

[quote=“NeonNoodle”]
Yes, I guess there is a difference with the kind of beheadings. Dropping bombs is cowardly.[/quote]

And you attempting to equate the two is plain stupid. But what’s new?

[quote=“NeonNoodle”]Yes, I guess there is a difference with the kind of beheadings. Dropping bombs is cowardly.[/quote]What a disgusting comment, IMO -
Equating murdering terrorist with sanctioned military actions…Guess you weren’t at the Daniel Pearl Memorial, eh?

and from France -

[quote]Muslims are waging civil war against us, claims police union
By David Rennie, Europe Correspondent, (Filed: 05/10/2006)

Radical Muslims in France’s housing estates are waging an undeclared “intifada” against the police, with violent clashes injuring an average of 14 officers each day.
As the interior ministry said that nearly 2,500 officers had been wounded this year, a police union declared that its members were “in a state of civil war” with Muslims in the most depressed “banlieue” estates which are heavily populated by unemployed youths of north African origin.

It said the situation was so grave that it had asked the government to provide police with armoured cars to protect officers in the estates, which are becoming no-go zones.

The number of attacks has risen by a third in two years. Police representatives told the newspaper Le Figaro that the “taboo” of attacking officers on patrol has been broken.

Instead, officers – especially those patrolling in pairs or small groups – faced attacks as soon as they tried to arrest locals.

Senior officers insisted that the problem was essentially criminal in nature, with crime bosses on the estates fighting back against tough tactics.

[b] “We are in a state of civil war, orchestrated by radical Islamists. This is not a question of urban violence any more, it is an intifada, with stones and Molotov cocktails. You no longer see two or three youths confronting police, you see whole tower blocks emptying into the streets to set their ‘comrades’ free when they are arrested.”

He added: “We need armoured vehicles and water cannon. They are the only things that can disperse crowds of hundreds of people who are trying to kill police and burn their vehicles.”[/b](more at link)
Telegraph.com[/quote]