It's official, Taiwan is not China

it is controversial of whether ROC represents china, but it is fairly clearcut that ROC is part of taiwan rather than the other way, since ROC remains the title of a regime, which is subjectable to changes, while taiwan is a physical entity. before the regime exists, or when the regime cease to exist, taiwan remains taiwan.

[quote=“tommy525”]http://taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2010/10/25/2003486837/1

Interesting that the Premier of the Republic of China (aka Taiwan) agrees then that Taiwan, China would be incorrect?? So it would be official then. Taiwan is not China.

I was under the impression that Taiwan is NOT part of the People’s Republic of China but that Taiwan IS part of the Republic of China which does mean China?

Actually Taiwan should perhaps be better said to be Taiwan Province of Japan?

I am certainly not pro PRC, but the call for the Taiwan delegation to add Chinese Taipei (a formula accepted by the ROC/PRC) should be acceptable as well as Taiwan,China . Because the China in this case is arguably the Republic of China. Which Taiwan IS part of?

IF the ROC mandate on TAiwan is accurate and legal then TAiwan is still part of the Republic of China. We are of course NOT part of the PRC or the PRC’s China.

Jiang in this case is actually not wrong. Taiwan is “Taiwan, China” at this current juncture.[/quote]

ROC represented China in the pipe-dreams of KMT generals (and CKS), probably under the influence of happy-poppy oil, back in the 1950s.

That was the only controversy there ever was.

There is no controversy. For 15 years it was government policy that the ROC represented Taiwan only. Ma suddenly began talking as if it were 1979 shortly after getting elected. It shocked most people. But this statements lack legitimacy because the KMT solely represent voters in Taiwan. When they are voted out again so will the notion that the ROC represents China. For now then we can reasonably call it a fiction the president engages in to soothe old but powerful interests and perhaps (generously) as a means of avoiding genuine sovereignty talks while engaging with China.

[quote=“TaipeiD”]DPP supporters are scared to death that PRC might rob them dry if they take over.
The pro-unification camp points out that by using HK model of governance as a special district Taiwan can continue to prosper.

The DPP has been the party of the working class, supporting public works projects and entitlement programs for the poor. If Taiwan does not unify with China, rich taiwanese may eventually migrate to HK (most of them spend the majority of the time in China for business), while the poor claim it’s good riddance.[/quote]
meanwhile these dpp supporters are perfectly fine with western, japanese, and south korean multinational corporations robbing them.

If non-Chinese firms are “robbing” Taiwan, China would strip-mine the island and leave an empty husk behind.

When we talk of unification, we talk of Beijing calling the shots 100%. Democracy would be a sham because China would not allow unification without a mechanism for it to control Taiwanese politics at the top level, either directly or indirectly. So the DPP’s fears are justifiable. Unification means putting your trust in Beijing not to abuse the power it will have.

That is not true at all. I’ll say it here just as I’ve said elsewhere. China is not seeking actual control of Taiwan. Take a look at Hong Kong, it’s completely self-ruled. Hong Kong citizens are allowed to do a lot of things that aren’t allowed in the mainland.

That is not true at all. I’ll say it here just as I’ve said elsewhere. China is not seeking actual control of Taiwan. Take a look at Hong Kong, it’s completely self-ruled. Hong Kong citizens are allowed to do a lot of things that aren’t allowed in the mainland.[/quote]
Take note of your word “allowed”. Who allows it? Hong Kong or Beijing? :ohreally:

ABC, do you ever get the feeling you’re on the wrong board? Your ideas are at loggerheads with pretty much everyone here. Most Forumosans believe in free speech and the right to self-determination as being essential parts of a modern nation, ideas that are anathema to the one China faction. You’re not convincing anyone here of the “rightness” of your ideas - you’re just pissing people off. Why do you persist? :eh:

Yeah, I get that I’m kind of in the minority here, but isn’t this what free speech is all about, to be able to hear all the diverse opinions. It’d be kind of boring here if everyone are all in agreement with each other.

So, Anthony, do you have any evidence, not innuendo, but actual evidence, that Hong Kong is anything but self-ruled? I’ll bet if you ask any Hong Kong government offical whether he’s taking orders from Beijing, he’s going to laugh at your face.

Yes. The lack of the date of their next presidential elections.

Yeah, I get that I’m kind of in the minority here, but isn’t this what free speech is all about, to be able to hear all the diverse opinions. It’d be kind of boring here if everyone are all in agreement with each other. [/quote]

Very true, free speech is a wonderful thing.

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Yes. The lack of the date of their next presidential elections.[/quote]

They’re already working on that. Perhaps not fast enough to your liking, but Hong Kong will have general elections in the near future.

[quote=“ABC”]
So, Anthony, do you have any evidence, not innuendo, but actual evidence, that Hong Kong is anything but self-ruled? I’ll bet if you ask any Hong Kong government offical whether he’s taking orders from Beijing, he’s going to laugh at your face.[/quote]

Self-rule that can be taken away at a whim is nice for the people in Hong Kong for now to be sure, but don’t try to make it out to be some kind of shining beacon shedding warmth and good-natured benevolence towards the people of Taiwan, that’s just cheap propaganda. Maybe we should ask the people of Tibet and Xinjiang how they feel about “self-rule.”

Yes. The lack of the date of their next presidential elections.[/quote]

They’re already working on that. Perhaps not fast enough to your liking, but Hong Kong will have general elections in the near future.[/quote]
Really? So they’ll be able to vote for their president in Beijing? That’s wonderful! Do keep me posted! :laughing:

Whoa, what are you talking about? Hong Kong is part of China, not the other way around. While Hong Kong citizens will be able to vote for their chief executive in a few years(the most likely date I’m hearing is 2017, though I used to hear it could happen as soon as next year, but that looks unlikely), election of the president in Beijing is a different matter. We’re talking about matters relating to Hong Kong’s self-rule here, that doesn’t include matters outside of HK’s border.

Whoa, what are you talking about? Hong Kong is part of China, not the other way around. While Hong Kong citizens will be able to vote for their chief executive in a few years(the most likely date I’m hearing is 2017, though I used to hear it could happen as soon as next year, but that looks unlikely), election of the president in Beijing is a different matter. We’re talking about matters relating to Hong Kong’s self-rule here, that doesn’t include matters outside of HK’s border.[/quote]

Source? Credible source? It’s tiresome arguing with fact-free assertions.

[quote=“Mucha Man”]
Source? Credible source? It’s tiresome arguing with fact-free assertions.[/quote]

This is just one of many articles on this matter http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7163758.stm. It isn’t exactly breaking news.

Find more yourself by simply googling “Hong Kong election 2017”.

From the NPCSC resolution

They should give it back to the Dutch!

Holy FUCK! This should be a classic post! :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
You read it here! The fucking commie cunts say it shall be so, so, so shall it BEEEEE!
Jesus H. CHRIST!

Holy FUCK! This should be a classic post! :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
You read it here! The fucking commie cunts say it [color=#FF0000]shall be[/color] so, so, so [color=#FF0000]shall it [/color]BEEEEE!
Jesus H. CHRIST![/quote]

Not even “shall be” they say “may be” it might happen in 2017. Which is as good as gold, can take that to the bank.

Wow, 2 classic posts for me in one week. I must be really good at this.