haha, liberal west. Really liberal with colonialism and murdering indigenous people. About time muslims fight back with more force. yeahyeahyeah, i m the west so i can do nothing wrong
Just some quotes from a bbc strand to show that many Arabs and Muslims find this killing reprehensible and fills them with despair:
From BBCArabic.com: Can these criminals really be Arabs and Muslims? Do they pray in our mosques and speak our language and suffer like we do? Their hearts have turned into stone. What we need is tolerance and wisdom, not blind revenge. Blood cannot be washed off with more blood.
Mohamed Bin Bandar, Mecca, Saudi Arabia
From BBCArabic.com: This is a heinous crime and those who committed it are like a disease in our Islamic societies. It is absurd to compare this crime to the abuses in Abu Ghraib prison. Those who justify this crime have lost touch with reality and are only fooling themselves.
Hakim, Iraq
From BBCArabic.com: I totally reject this brutal crime against an innocent hostage, but I think the US has pushed the whole of the Middle East to the brink of disaster.
Abdullah Almasri, Cairo, Egypt
From BBCArabic.com: This does not represent our moral and religious values. These criminals are harming Islam and the image of Muslims all over the world. My heart goes out to Berg and his family.
Fadi Morestani, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
From BBCArabic.com: What happened is totally unacceptable, but violence breeds violence and every action will have an opposite reaction.
Abul Fedaa, UAE
Let us hope that justice and not angry retribution in sought. The death of another innocent of whatever creed in the hunt for the killers will be just as sad.
[quote=“tigerman”]I agree. The US has been far too nice in this war. I would welcome far more brutality. I cannot believe that we stopped the Marines from finishing up in Fallujah.
The rest of what you posted is, IMO, nonsense.[/quote]
No doubt. But our situation is such that nonsense is now the only way to make sense of it. War is madness, tigerman.
What I find so encouraging about the comments posted from Muslims and Arabs is that they too are recognizing that they do not have to be like this or tolerate this kind of action. This is a very far cry from what happened in their societies pre-911. Perhaps, that desired reform is finally starting to occur in the Middle East. We must redouble our efforts in Iraq and expand our efforts to neighboring countries if need be. We can and will make a difference.
Hey, then, go suit up, Fred!
The Brit Ball will go on without you, and you’ll be our hero! Swoon…
The video’s a fake.
I just saw it. There’s a pretend ‘sawing and screaming’ action, and then a glitch, and then ta da! HEAD held high. Bollox!!!
:bluemad:
[quote=“spook”]
So, beware the trap of righteous hatred because it’s ensnared many a decent man throughout history.[/quote]
Oi. That reminded me of Jules in Pulp Fiction.
Jules:
There’s a passage I got memorized. Ezekiel 25:17. The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee." I been sayin’ that shit for years. And if you ever heard it, it meant your ass. I never really questioned what it meant. I thought it was just a cold-blooded thing to say to a motherfucker before you popped a cap in his ass. But I saw some shit this mornin’ made me think twice. Now I’m thinkin’: it could mean you’re the evil man. And I’m the righteous man. And Mr. 9mm here, he’s the shepherd protecting my righteous ass in the valley of darkness. Or it could be you’re the righteous man and I’m the shepherd and it’s the world that’s evil and selfish. I’d like that. But that shit ain’t the truth. The truth is you’re the weak. And I’m the tyranny of evil men. But I’m tryin’, Ringo. I’m tryin’ real hard to be a shepherd.
[quote=“Alien”]The video’s a fake.
I just saw it. There’s a pretend ‘sawing and screaming’ action, and then a glitch, and then ta da! HEAD held high. Bollox!!!
:bluemad:[/quote]
You are a sick person, Alien. I suppose the decapitated corpse they found was also fake.
The NY Post has a fairly decent editorial on this today:
story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s … ergsmurder
[quote=“NY Post”] Now it’s time to ratchet up the response to this war.
Forget Abu Ghraib.
The abuse committed there by a handful of soldiers was not typical; nor is it acceptable.
But the beheading of Nick Berg is par for the course for al Qaeda.
Of course, the terrorists of Muntada al-Ansar, an al Qaeda offshoot, claimed they were acting in retaliation for the Abu Ghraib abuses.
Bull.
There were no known abuses at Abu Ghraib when Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl and Italian hostage Fabrizio Quattrocchi were murdered by Islamic terrorists.
And the events at Abu Ghraib had not yet come to light when frenzied crowds in Fallujah burned and mutilated the bodies of four Americans and strung them from a bridge.
No, the massacre of Nick Berg had nothing to do with Abu Ghraib.
Instead, this slaying was about the war against the West in general - and America, in particular. [/quote]
Hey, then, go suit up, Fred!
The Brit Ball will go on without you, and you’ll be our hero! Swoon…
The video’s a fake.
I just saw it. There’s a pretend ‘sawing and screaming’ action, and then a glitch, and then ta da! HEAD held high. Bollox!!!
:bluemad:[/quote]
Alien,
I don’t know which video you watched but the one I saw was obviously the actual killing of this man.
By U.S.'s own standards, from the perspective of Iraq, Berg was an “enemy combatant” and therefore not entitled to Geneva convention protections. If the U.S. has the right to remove Iraqis to Cuba to be imprisoned without trial, then Iraq (represented by whoever, that part’s not very clear) has the right to try Berg and execute him by the customary method, beheading. Or do you think Iraq should be considered a part of the U.S. right now? :raspberry:
[quote=“cableguy”]
Alien,
I don’t know which video you watched but the one I saw was obviously the actual killing of this man.[/quote]
I didn’t see the head physically detached from the body so I don’t believe it. And I’ve seen enough Hollywood movies.
Fake.
Ploy by the US to get outrage and sympathy since the world discovered the Iraqi abuse and Bush’s little war is gaining him less and less favour at home.
Those people were hooded. Could have been any recording of Arabs reading anytime anywhere. Fake. It’s amazing the depths these cunts will stoop to.
Alien, it’s not 1974 anymore…stop smoking dope.
it’s times like this that you can tell who the irrational america-haters are.
so you think the cia beheaded berg themselves, dumped the body, and then produced this video to make muslims look bad, alien? 
well, the us imprisoned people in cuba, so iraqis have the right to behead hostages. way to go, sj! your sensitivity and logic have greatly increased your stature in the estimation of your fellow posters. 
Oh, so you mean smoking dope went out of style? Lord be!
Right. Good one. Ha Ha.
I’d say it’s times like these when one can tell who the mad jingoists are. :s
After the supposedly fake pics of British soldiers abusing Iraqi prisoners (were they proven fake in the end?), everyone is alert to the possibility that these images could have been faked.
It’s interesting that the first official comment from the UK was, “If this is genuine,…”
how does viewing your comments as idiotic have anything to do with jingoism? why don’t you just cut to the chase and call me a nazi now? why waste time moving up the ladder of ad hominem attacks?
you never answered my question. do you think the cia beheaded berg and dumped his body in order to make this fake video?
So, are foreign aid workers considered “enemy combatants” in your book, SJ? MercyCorps, the Red Cross and Crescent, those outfits? How about construction workers? English teachers?
By all reports, Berg went to Iraq to try to find a job doing reconstruction. At the worst, he was a somewhat idealistic dimwit, like Amy Biehl, a Boston University student who went to South Afrika to work on “voter registration” in black townships but who was beaten to death by a mob of blacks for being white and driving through their territory. But I think he was a lot better than that – he went to work and to build; he didn’t sit at a safe remove and whine about how crappy things were.
how does viewing your comments as idiotic have anything to do with jingoism? why don’t you just cut to the chase and call me a nazi now? why waste time moving up the ladder of ad hominem attacks?
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Irrational American hater? There you go, bozo!
Try that again. It might make you think you’ve got something over on me.
Obviously I could be very wrong, but my initial reaction was that given the cut in the film and the change in angle (two cameras perhaps) from the knife first being applied to the head and the head being severed, as well as the lower film quality of the actual decapitation, together with the apparent lack of blood, they were decapitating a corpse. I also noted there was no attempt in the media to name the site, or to investigate the journey of the video from where it was shot to its being published on the web. “Web site linked to al-Qaida”, “militant Islamic website”, er, which website ? Did this video just appear out of thin air ? Even the rabid anti-American and anti-war sites don’t speculate. Hideous as it is, there’s something very fishy about this video.
The killers no doubt found it was a lot harder to cut off the head with a knife than they had expected. They were probably sawing away for five minutes and decided to edit that bit out.