Japanese depravity - the rape fantasy

That’s a famous quote from McArthur: “Japan is a nation of 12 year old boys.”

I remember when I was 13 (insert Beavis and Butthead laugh). I couldn’t imagine a nation of them. They would certainly have to do an extra run of Hustler Magazine.

[quote]A Swedish pschiatrist wrote a book about this once, and for the most part, it’s a good way of understanding the Japanese psyche, especially in relationship to sex and porn. Other than that, they’re nice blokes, too. Just remember the next time you watch a Japanese-made AV video: these are 13 year old boys who made this movie!
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Another one of those- Westerners are always better quotes. Yayyy. Asian men are the worst scum on Earth… ARGH!

[quote=“cornelldesi”][quote]A Swedish pschiatrist wrote a book about this once, and for the most part, it’s a good way of understanding the Japanese psyche, especially in relationship to sex and porn. Other than that, they’re nice blokes, too. Just remember the next time you watch a Japanese-made AV video: these are 13 year old boys who made this movie!
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Another one of those- Westerners are always better quotes. Yayyy. Asian men are the worst scum on Earth… ARGH![/quote]

The quote didn’t generalize Asian men. It referred specifically to Japanese men.

As you recently advised me, read more carefully.

Otherwise, can you explain why the Japanese seem to have such a fondness for rape fantasies?

[quote=“tigerman”][quote=“cornelldesi”][quote]A Swedish pschiatrist wrote a book about this once, and for the most part, it’s a good way of understanding the Japanese psyche, especially in relationship to sex and porn. Other than that, they’re nice blokes, too. Just remember the next time you watch a Japanese-made AV video: these are 13 year old boys who made this movie!
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Another one of those- Westerners are always better quotes. Yayyy. Asian men are the worst scum on Earth… ARGH![/quote]

The quote didn’t generalize Asian men. It referred specifically to Japanese men.

As you recently advised me, read more carefully.

Otherwise, can you explain why the Japanese seem to have such a fondness for rape fantasies?[/quote]

Yes, cornelldesi, the quote and the book was only about Japan culture, and Japanese men. And yes, from a Western, Swedish doctor’s POV, which might be biased of course. But i read the book, and really, it explains alot. it’s not Japan bashing book, it is a Japan explaining book, and very good too. i will try to find the writer’s name again.

AND…this is not to say ALL Japanese men are that way. But almost every visitor to japan or even to Japanese culture via Internet has remarked on the weird sexuality of men over there. Like Tigerman says, the AV rape fantasies, the subway upskirt fantaasiees, etc, these are the sex dreams of 13 year olds. it does explain alot. without saying anything negative about Japan either.

it’s just a theory anyway. might be totally wrong. but it DOES explain alot about J culture…

I have had to confiscate a lot of pornographic comic books (very graphic) from elementary school age kids. I can’t believe such filth can get into the hands of third graders. I also can’t believe the apathy of the parents when I confront them with their child’s choice of reading material. :bluemad:

I read of a trend amongst Japanese mothers who will give their sons blow jobs to relieve them of exam stress.
I never actually met anyone who would admit to this, but it was in the national Daily Yomiuri newspaper, so there must be some truth to it.
Like I said before, Japanese attitudes to sex are not easy for us to comprehend.

You can’t do sociological studies without make overgeneralizations of large groups of people. But comparing different societies’ psychological attitudes towards things like sex can be useful and is certainly interesting. It’s a well known fact that many American men are f****d in the head about sex because of our society, as well, and if someone made a comment about that I don’t think anyone would blink an eye - I mean, it’s true, some of our Western attitudes are funny, as well.

[quote=“patterson”]I read of a trend amongst Japanese mothers who will give their sons blow jobs to relieve them of exam stress.
I never actually met anyone who would admit to this, but it was in the national Daily Yomiuri newspaper, so there must be some truth to it.
Like I said before, Japanese attitudes to sex are not easy for us to comprehend.[/quote]

a bit of an urban legend, I think. one mother maybe did it, true or not, and word spreads. it was never a trend. it was probably an apocryphal story, which started in one of gossip mags there, like National Enquirer in USA and then took on a life of its own. But there is definitely a very intimate relationship in Japan between sons and moms, but not sexual. More emotional than that.

But this is how urban legends get started. be careful. i heard that story too. never beleived it.

BTW, I did a google search for “swedish psychiatrist says Japanese men never mature beyond the age of a 13 year old” and the only entry to pop up was

www.forumosa.com/discussions/forum

So maybe I am wrong about that book. But I do remember reading it. Sort of. It made an impression that is. As to the MacArthur quote that modlang noted, here’s some background infoFYI:

A: "I’ve heard it quoted that MAcarthur said “the japanese should be
treated like they’re 12 year old”.

B: "This may be a paraphrase of his speech, in which compared to the
“modern germany” japan was a “12 year old boy”.

C: "it was a condescending but was said to explain the rise of japanese
militarism, not to insult the japanese. japanese did feel insulted
however.

Historians say: When MacArthur departed from Japan, there were calls to make him an “honorary citizen” and suggestions to erect a massive statue in his likeness beside Tokyo Bay. The Tokyo Metropolitan Government also issued the general with a letter of gratitude. Soon after, testifying before a U.S. Senate committee, MacArthur likened the Japanese to 12-year-olds. There was outcry across the nation and the proposals to honor MacArthur, though not dying, simply faded away.

It’s a cultural thing: Japanese men are hentai. Not perverted. Just inordinately interested in sex the way a 13 year old boy is. ‘‘Skeh bay’’ or sukebe they call in Japanese I think.

I think it has a lot to do with that country not being reared in the Western JudeoChristian ethic of Adam and Eve sinful sexuality, so it’s just a one big game board for the men. They don’t seem to suffer too much from this, do they? Look what they’ve achieved post war! Maybe other countries should emulate this free sexuality stuff…

A bit higher up on this page I posted a link to the Hentai Dictionay, an attempt by an American guy living in Tokyo to make English language sense of the universe of Japanese erotica.

If you look closer at his dictionary you will see a link to his blog, called Tokyo Damage Report. I’ve been enjoying reading his enteries, spanning the gambit from reports of epic bike rides he takes through Tokyo suburbs, to punk rock concert reviews, to a report on his visit to a massive comic book convention, featuring zillions of hard-core (male) gay porno comics written by girls, and for girls. One of his fields of interest is the whole Hentai sub-culture so there are lots of first hand accounts of this aspect of life in Japan, too. It makes for really interesting reading as the guy is a pretty good writer, has good sense of humor, and a very keen eye for the absurd.

http://www.harmful.org/homedespot/ADIARY.htm

For anyone who loved “Lost in Translation”, this guy’s blog confirms what a totally unusual (in a good way) place Tokyo is. Makes Taipei seem oh-so-tame in comparison.

You may not want to know this, but did you know that they make a Hello Kitty vibrator? (Why oh why didn’t they call that character “Hello Pussy” in the first place? That would have been so perfect.)

Ones again I have to disagree with most of you regarding the Japanese sexual behaviour. I have a lot of Japanese business friends and also very close friends. They all behave extremely normal what comes to sex. Something I can’t always say about Taiwanese men visiting Mainland KTV’s.
Yes, there is quite a lot of disgusting Japanese sex videos but they are very innocent compared to some American and European videos. In Belgium they make sex videos raping schildren and in some cases even killing them in the end. I’ve seen so terrible American sex videos so it can’t be mentioned here. These Japanese videos are nothing compared to what they make in the west!

The reson why Japanese men behave like 13 year old boys might be that they have never had a chance to live out their sexual dreams. In an international investigation a couple of years ago it was confirmed that Japanese women enjoy sex least of all in the world. The women enjoying sex most came from Philippines. In the western world French women were on the top position.

What the heck! If I had to make love to a dead fish every day maybe my mind would start to make up fantasies!

Just my opinion and theory.

How could you enjoy sex if someone continued to dominate you time and again, only cared about themselves and treated you like a second class citizen.

Grasshopper, what are you talking about? I can’t tell which oppressed group you mean to refer to.

I guess after a while the person would accept this as normal

I like “Hello Klitty” better.

You mean the “Hello Kitty Shoulder Massager”? Get 3 or more and get 20% off! :slight_smile:

Yeah, I’ll buy some for you when I go to Brussels next time. :unamused: Sure, Belgium had its Dutroux scandal, but you make it sound like it is a common and generally accepted form of behaviour, which is plain bs.

re: the “Japanese men don’t mature past 13” canard

japantoday.com/e/?content=kuchikomi&id=292

More Japanese sexual mores…

On March 11, a 26-year-old man in Takasaki City, Gunma Prefecture, was arrested on suspicion of having murdered a neighbor’s daughter. The girl was in her first year of primary school.

Commenting on the slaying, the “Focus on Topics” column in Nikon Gendai notes that when police searched the man’s apartment, they carried off enough comic books, videos, figurines and other assorted paraphernalia appealing to “Ro-ri-kon” (as Lolita complex is abbreviated in Japanese) to fill 25 cardboard boxes.

The Rorikon phenomenon is not especially new; but crimes by geeks who entertain such fantasies appear to be in the process of becoming increasingly fetid and violent… MORE LINK ABOVE

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A JAPAN WATCHER WRITES: If you are in Japan take a look around you. There is a huge sub-culture of withdrawn, socially inept 18-40 year old men attracted exclusively to 5-12 year old pre-pubescent girls. An entire generation has grown up in the
“everything is cute” pressure cooker and is ready to act out now.

You guys may already know about this stuff but if you are in Japan right now I urge you to go to Akihabara in Tokyo or Namba in Osaka. I’ll make your stomach turn. There are entire superstores filled with nothing but stuff to cater to the “virtual sex with ten year old girls” crowd.

AND THIS IS VERY INTERESTING: Personally, I believe it starts in Junior high school here in Japan. I have worked in both elementary school and Junior Highschool here in JAPAN and in the US. I have taught Japanese students in both countries and I can tell you there is a huge difference in the psychological growth of a Japanese boy that goes to school here vs. one that grows up in the US.

I have noticed that in both countries the boys that enter Junior highschool are usually well adjusted, considerate, social and happy. However in Japan many leave antisocial, withdrawn and with the “stone-faced” salary-man look. I understand that adolescence is an unstable time for many young adults and it plays a major factor in the psychological development of a person. However I have noticed it is especially brutal in Japan. In Junior highschool their psychological growth is suppressed rather than nurtured and many young men develop a mental block during their first year. Instead of learning how to make deeper lasting friendships they introduce the sempai-deshi system. Instead of learning about the opposite sex, there is a clean split between the two. They have no time to explore deeper relationships past “I like baseball. You like baseball. Let’s be friends!”

All these men develop a sex drive. They need female companionship. I’m not a psychologist but I do believe that since these guys cannot relate to women their own age they need to psychologically revert back to the last time they could relate with girls. Unfortunately, that time was in elementary school. They really need help and I feel sorry for them, and their victims-to-be.

Just curious, does anyone know what the rape rate is in Japan? Is it higher than normal, compared to other developed countries? I enjoy my porn as much as the next person, but I wonder if being bombarded with such twisted obscenity at such a high level has an effect on the sex crime rate.

I mean, I know they have sex criminals in every culture and every country, but when you hear about stuff like the Lucy Blackmon case and the police not even caring until the family had to fly over from England to force them to investigate, you start to wonder about how much sinister shit in Japanese society doesn’t get reported - the actual rape/sexual assualt rate is probably much, much higher than the official statistics.

[quote=“mod lang”]Just curious, does anyone know what the rape rate is in Japan? Is it higher than normal, compared to other developed countries? I enjoy my porn as much as the next person, but I wonder if being bombarded with such twisted obscenity at such a high level has an effect on the sex crime rate.

I mean, I know they have sex criminals in every culture and every country, but when you hear about stuff like the Lucy Blackmon case and the police not even caring until the family had to fly over from England to force them to investigate, you start to wonder about how much sinister shit in Japanese society doesn’t get reported - the actual rape/sexual assualt rate is probably much, much higher than the official statistics.[/quote]

Don’t know the rape rates there, and of course, whatever it is, it is probably under-reported due to shame culture, family face, etc., but all countries have more or less the same rape rates I think. Only very sick people rape, and the percentage is usually a constant worldwide.

Of more importance, I think, mod lang, is this CULTURAL problem, as one poster in Japan wrote:

“Personally, i believe it’s related to the stand-offishness that is inculcated in japanese schools - the uchi/soto distinction. We’ve all seen it - an old lady falls over but on-one helps her get up. in fact, most people pretend they didn’t see her and the rest stop and watch as she rolls around for a while before picking herself up. the reason for this is, i suggest, is that the old lady, being unknown to the bystanders, is not part of the in group and therefore her accident is no-one else’s business.”

It’s the IT’S NOBODY’S BUSINESS routine of Asian cultures… and maybe more so in ever so polite Japan?

In other words, the cops don’t get involved unless they face pressure to get involved. Like that Lucy Blackmon case…