I’ve read a few times that chain schools like HESS don’t like to hire people with a JFRV or an APRC. I’m wondering if this is just an urban teaching myth or if it’s actually true. Has anyone been hired (in the last few years) at HESS or one of the other large chains with a JFRV or an APRC, or has anyone been explicitly rejected because they possess a JFRV or an APRC? The first question is easy to answer; either you got hired or you didn’t. The second is more difficult because they may have rejected you for other reasons. So, in the case of the second question, has anyone applied for a job at HESS or another chain school and been told that they won’t be hired because they have a JFRV or an APRC?
I’m curious becasue I’ll be returing to Taiwan next year, and although I’m not necessarily looking to work at a chain, I’ve heard that jobs are more difficult to come by these days, and I want to keep my options open.
Maybe it’s because they can leave immediately after finding out what a crap job it is? Many schools like to feel like they “own” the teacher and they have more power over them. People with a JFRV or an APRC are much more difficult to screw with (they’ve also usually been here for a while, so they know the laws, etc.).
What you are mentioning is basically what I’ve read before. The question is, is it true? What I’m looking for are people who have actually been in this situation and can confirm or refute this claim.
What you are mentioning is basically what I’ve read before. The question is, is it true? What I’m looking for are people who have actually been in this situation and can confirm or refute this claim.[/quote]
Sorry I can’t help you out more. I have been told, and this is only hearsay, that the Hess in Chiayi only hires FOB foreigners. Seriously though, most chain schools should be avoided due to the low pay. Good luck.
I worked at a lincoln american school and they loved me because they didnt need to bother with as much paperwork for me. They wanted me to work a second year which i did, and they kept bothering me to resign the contract, which i didnt. But at least at that 1 school for me, they really liked the idea of JFRV.
I can very much understand the wanting to own the teacher thing, i can see it really well…but i cannot honestly say i have actually seen it firsthand or through friends.
[quote=“Pingdong”]I worked at a lincoln american school and they loved me because they didnt need to bother with as much paperwork for me. They wanted me to work a second year which i did, and they kept bothering me to resign the contract, which i didnt. But at least at that 1 school for me, they really liked the idea of JFRV.
I can very much understand the wanting to own the teacher thing, i can see it really well…but i cannot honestly say i have actually seen it firsthand or through friends.[/quote]
[quote=“Satellite TV”][quote=“Pingdong”]I worked at a lincoln American school and they loved me because they didnt need to bother with as much paperwork for me. They wanted me to work a second year which i did, and they kept bothering me to resign the contract, which i didnt. But at least at that 1 school for me, they really liked the idea of JFRV.
I can very much understand the wanting to own the teacher thing, i can see it really well…but i cannot honestly say I have actually seen it firsthand or through friends.[/quote]
Lincoln Americn school in Jiayi?[/quote]
Oh shit… don’t get me started on that place… (do a search)
[quote=“funkymonkey”][quote=“Satellite TV”][quote=“Pingdong”]I worked at a lincoln American school and they loved me because they didnt need to bother with as much paperwork for me. They wanted me to work a second year which i did, and they kept bothering me to resign the contract, which i didnt. But at least at that 1 school for me, they really liked the idea of JFRV.
I can very much understand the wanting to own the teacher thing, i can see it really well…but i cannot honestly say I have actually seen it firsthand or through friends.[/quote]
Lincoln Americn school in Jiayi?[/quote]
Oh shit… don’t get me started on that place… (do a search)[/quote]
Several of my friends pulled there kids outta there after starting school there. Of course when they went there to pay tuition everything was hunky dory but as soon as the kids started classes it was time to get them out of there. That and Noble must be the ( allegedly ) worst schools in Chiayi. Some poeple who had their kids there didnt have spare cash to move them to another school so their kids stayed for a year. A complete disaster and the kids totally unhappy.
I can see why Pindong would think the way he does if thats where he worked. But how the hell he stayed for a 2nd year is beyond my understanding if it is the Chiayi school.
hehe, no not Jayi…I am in the south. I will say it was in the great Pingtung/Kaohsiung area cause i don’t like making problems for people. But by the sounds of it it is a similar teaching style. It was a horrible place, my 2nd year we went through 6 head teachers and countless assistant teachers…I only stayed cause we were broke as shit and totally ignorant of how things get on here (was my first 2 years in Taiwan). The thing is though that some of the parents actaully thought the massive ego and child beaten tendencies of the owner were good teaching practice, a common belief around here. Currently we often loose a couple students a year because we refuse to beat them as a punishment. A couple more per year because we refuse to use KK to teach English.
The only thing worse than a principle is a parent…
ya, the parents listen to the teachers (cause the parents dont know) and here the teachers are liek 100 years behind the game (here meaning countryside pingtung). even at grade 3 the teachers here are cramming in KK all over the book. even the phonics pages the book has the students are told to circle letters and underline and write in KK…and of course, when our better students question the teachers pronunciation, they get punished :fume: all we can do is try to discuss with the parents who care enough about their kids education to listen.
Maybe it’s because they can leave immediately after finding out what a crap job it is? Many schools like to feel like they “own” the teacher and they have more power over them. People with a JFRV or an APRC are much more difficult to screw with (they’ve also usually been here for a while, so they know the laws, etc.).[/quote]
I can vouch for this. I once had a school lean on me to NOT get me JFRV. Their logic was unsound in the extreme. I couldn’t fathom it at the time, but it’s all about power, tax deduction, and other methods of screwing the long nose.
Empowerment is a motherfugger…
There have been job ads on F.com and Tealit posted by chains that specifically welcome JFRV holders. These ads are usually for long-term, headquarters-based positions. I was not considered for one despite my professional qualifications because I did not have permanent or JFRV status.
Maybe there’s no simple answer to this. I guess some schools prefer a JFRV/APRC holder and some don’t. Still, I need to make a decision when I get there as to what kind of visa I should get. I just don’t want to lessen my chances of finding work because I got a JFRV. It would just be a bummer if I kept applying to jobs and getting, “sorry we don’t hire teachers with a JFRV, sorry we don’t hire teachers with a JFRV.” … DOH!
You are going to find very few that behave this way. Avoid the ones that do, anyway, as it’s an indirect admission that the school is into glorified human trafficking. They want all their foreign staff to be sponsored by them. That way they can control them and the employees will face residency/visa hassles in the event that they quit. A JFRV holder can walk out of a crappy job with no consequences. Bad employers know this and that’s why they don’t like JFRV/APRC. Most decent schools would actually prefer a JFRV holder. There’s less hassle in employing such people and, since they don’t count toward the total number of foreigners the school is allowed to employ, the school can still hire another foreigner as well.
The most likely reason you would have been turned down for such a job is that they were not able to sponsor ARC. They probably would have loved to have you otherwise. Some jobs look for permanent resident or JFRV holders because, for whatever reason, they cannot provide a work permit for the job they are offering.
I just find that most ads on sites like Tealit are from schools that explicitly state they are offering an ARC to the person they hire. Now, it could be that most schools recognize that this is an unavoidable part of being in a business that employs foreigners since the majority of foreigners in Taiwan need a work visa. That, however, doesn’t necesarily mean they wouldn’t just as soon hire a person with a JFRV or an APRC, it just means they understand it will often limit the number of offers they receive. Or it could be that these schools mention they provide an ARC because they indend to fill the position with someone who needs an ARC and don’t want to hire someone on an independant visa.
For those of you who have a JFRV or an APRC, do you mention that you have an independant visa when you contact the schools? How does that conversation usually come up? Has anyone on here been hired with their JFRV/APRC from an ad that was offering the potential candidate an ARC? I’m curious how that whole conversation went.
I’ve never worked in Taiwan with a JFRV. I’m not sure what to expect and how employers react to it.
Many schools like to feel like they “own” the teacher and they have more power over them. People with a JFRV or an APRC are much more difficult to screw with (they’ve also usually been here for a while, so they know the laws, etc.).