Job Board

face it MM…taiwanted’s dead…there have been 5 jobs in total this year on it. :whistle:

[quote=“justme86”]Firstly apologies if this has been mentioned already, could not find anything via the search. I was thinking of developing a Job Board similar to daves esl cafe etc to match western candiates to Asian companies.

Does anyone know of any other similar sites like this or thoughts welcome on this possible endeavour ?[/quote]

Bad idea…take it from someone who has been there and done that! There is not enough market for it.

face it MM…taiwanted’s dead…there have been 5 jobs in total this year on it. :whistle:[/quote]
Well, that’s not true at all, but I get your point. The fact is, it’s not dead, it’s dormant, suffering from neglect. When we get our shit together (and we will get our shit together), we will rock your (online classifieds in Taiwan) world. In the meantime, you’ll just have to make do with what we’ve got. :blush: :bow:

Dormant is as good as dead in the Internet age, my friend. If you are serious about doing something with it, and you have some people interested in hacking at it in their free time, then do it. I’m coming some time in the Fall and am mighty interested in helping…but only if there is a vested interest in other parties to do same. And I don’t cost nothing.

[quote=“headhonchoII”][quote=“justme86”]Firstly apologies if this has been mentioned already, could not find anything via the search. I was thinking of developing a Job Board similar to daves esl cafe etc to match western candiates to Asian companies.

Does anyone know of any other similar sites like this or thoughts welcome on this possible endeavour ?[/quote]

Bad idea…take it from someone who has been there and done that! There is not enough market for it.[/quote]

Thanks for the reply, care to expand a little further ? It would be much appreciated…

[quote=“justme86”][quote=“headhonchoII”][quote=“justme86”]Firstly apologies if this has been mentioned already, could not find anything via the search. I was thinking of developing a Job Board similar to daves esl cafe etc to match western candiates to Asian companies.

Does anyone know of any other similar sites like this or thoughts welcome on this possible endeavour ?[/quote]

Bad idea…take it from someone who has been there and done that! There is not enough market for it.[/quote]

Thanks for the reply, care to expand a little further ? It would be much appreciated…[/quote]

“not enough market for it” means not enough potential customers. There are very few westerners visiting, living and working in Taiwan, certainly not enough for a business. * When you’re thinking of setting up a business that caters to whitey in Taiwan, imagine you are in a town of 10,000 rather than a country of millions.

Have a look at this thread: [url]Ideas for new firm helping arriving English teachers?

  • Can anyone think of an exception?

At the moment it is a side project, i would estimate around 60% completed with regards to the actual system implementation. I will be arriving in around 10 days !

[quote=“almas john”][quote=“justme86”][quote=“headhonchoII”][quote=“justme86”]Firstly apologies if this has been mentioned already, could not find anything via the search. I was thinking of developing a Job Board similar to daves esl cafe etc to match western candiates to Asian companies.

Does anyone know of any other similar sites like this or thoughts welcome on this possible endeavour ?[/quote]

Bad idea…take it from someone who has been there and done that! There is not enough market for it.[/quote]

Thanks for the reply, care to expand a little further ? It would be much appreciated…[/quote]

“not enough market for it” means not enough potential customers. There are very few westerners visiting, living and working in Taiwan, certainly not enough for a business. * When you’re thinking of setting up a business that caters to whitey in Taiwan, imagine you are in a town of 10,000 rather than a country of millions.

Have a look at this thread: [url]Ideas for new firm helping arriving English teachers?

  • Can anyone think of an exception?[/quote]

Well as I am arriving next week in Taiwan I had figured to start with Taiwan and branch out from there. Like in my post above says, its really a side project which I have been working on a bit. One of my frustrations when looking for a job in southeast asia was i could not find anywhere that did not include jobs teaching english !

I tried exactly that with a job board focused on taiwan and Asian component also, focused on professionals. It is hard to get people to reach into their pocket and pay for another job board when they already use their primary job boards. It is also hard to convince people to upload their resumes when they already have it one, two or three sites. They also prefer uploading in their own language so you need to have that up too. You have to market your site, costs money. It’s not like you just put it up and they will come.

There just isn’t a broad market for an international job board in English yet in Asia and there are too many established competitors. Taiwan has very few foreign professionals, China would be a better idea but there already lots of people doing this in China (and losing money, or at least their investors money!). You might be able to get a few bucks here and there but it’s hardly worth the effort and investment. If you know some recruiters then maybe they will pay to use your board but you need to build up a lot of candidates, it is 100X more lucrative to be the recruiter, that is where the money is.

Many companies continue to enter this field every year and throw tonnes of money at it, only the original two companies in Taiwan actually make money, AFAIK, 104.com.tw and 1111.com.tw.

Otherwise if you had a different spin on things…but really the market changes very quickly. These days a lot of people are using linkedin to promote themselves. It’s impossible to keep up with the big boys and their databases and resources. You are better off to focus on one area, like creating an app that could be used on a mobile phone, quick sending of new job openings from multiple jobsites to a candidate that could give them an edge, that sort of thing. Give them the edge in getting a job and that will be a winner! It is really key…
Then you’ve got to understand the culture of the people you are marketing too…Taiwanese and each country has a different job seeking culture…it’s not one size fits all.

If you want more of this expensively earned advice you can buy me a beer!

[quote=“headhonchoII”]I tried exactly that with a job board focused on taiwan and Asian component also, focused on professionals. It is hard to get people to reach into their pocket and pay for another job board when they already use their primary job boards. It is also hard to convince people to upload their resumes when they already have it one, two or three sites. They also prefer uploading in their own language so you need to have that up too. You have to market your site, costs money. It’s not like you just put it up and they will come.

There just isn’t a broad market for an international job board in English yet in Asia and there are too many established competitors. Taiwan has very few foreign professionals, China would be a better idea but there already lots of people doing this in China (and losing money, or at least their investors money!). You might be able to get a few bucks here and there but it’s hardly worth the effort and investment. If you know some recruiters then maybe they will pay to use your board but you need to build up a lot of candidates, it is 100X more lucrative to be the recruiter, that is where the money is.

Many companies continue to enter this field every year and throw tonnes of money at it, only the original two companies in Taiwan actually make money, AFAIK, 104.com.tw and 1111.com.tw.

Otherwise if you had a different spin on things…but really the market changes very quickly. These days a lot of people are using linkedin to promote themselves. It’s impossible to keep up with the big boys and their databases and resources. You are better off to focus on one area, like creating an app that could be used on a mobile phone, quick sending of new job openings from multiple jobsites to a candidate that could give them an edge, that sort of thing. Give them the edge in getting a job and that will be a winner!

Then you’ve got to understand the culture of the people you are marketing too…Taiwanese and each country has a different job seeking culture…it’s not one size fits all.[/quote]

Some good thoughts here ! I think some further thought one what is the unique “selling” point will have to continue for a while !

I have previously made a few apps on facebook and iphone, with the facebook one making a substantial income. I dont think facebook is as popular as i would like in taiwan yet, but i think i will also include facebook connect etc for using my job board. Not too sure how the social media network is within taiwan at the moment, english speaking wise that is.

I’m using a translation template for english and chinese using my friends to translate the latter for me.

I have quite a few good ways to market via the social networking streams, but like i said before i will have to look in to how this channel is used by people from within tw.

Taiwan is a conservative society compared to the West and then again the use of MSN and Facebook is very prevalent. I have never heard of anybody getting hired through facebook or linkedin but I guess it might happen every now and then. Interviews and hiring are still very structured and use the job boards I mentioned earlier. It is very different in many ways.

At the minute i am seeing two issues which are standing out for me. I do not think I will have a problem getting the western “employees” through various means, including social media, on to my job board. That leaves the question, and remains to be seen, if the taiwan / asian employers, will come to the board if I can get the western individuals.

I guess its a catch 22 situation, seeming like its all a numbers game. I believe I should be able to get the “talent” but they will not stay if i cant get the employers on board in a reasonable amount of time.

I’m giving you a lot of free hard-earned advice here :slight_smile: The main uploaders would not be foreigners, but Taiwanese who want to show their English ability in order to get hired by multinationals or large Taiwanese firms. There is almost zilch demand for foreign employees in Taiwan, people here are well educated and work harder for less. There are also very few multinational regional offices here. There are a tonne in China or Singapore, but that market is saturated already. So you need a niche or an ‘edge’, take your pick. The main users are local educated people, they won’t pay you for using though. So can you get employers to pay for a small database compared to the multi million database of 104.com.tw?

And those Taiwanese 'aint daft. They post their resumes – in English and Chinese – on the sites that potential employers look at. That would be 1111 Job Bank and 104 Job Bank.
You’re wasting your time. Do you even have any idea at all about the market you’re thinking of failing to enter?
You’re trying to reinvent the wheel, except yours is made of wood with an iron rim, but you’re hoping to compete with companies who have composite racing slicks. :laughing:

PLUS you are missing a very important point. Its not easy to get a decent job in Asia. Some of us got lucky and we are hanging on for dear life trying not to go home. We build up our contacts and local knowledge for the security of being one of the few - and you want to OPEN THE DOOR? Are you mad?

Forget being an employee here in Asia. At best you end up with a low-paying dead end job. The way to make it here in Asia is to be your own boss.

What we foreigners should do is pool our resources and start a development/investment company developing things like loft apartments, convenience stores, tech parks/office space geared towards foreigners and foreign companies, high-end fooderies and agricultural products, venture capitalization etc.

It would be like Berkshire-Hathaway for expats with equity shares priced at, say, NT$1,000,000.

I’ve had good luck on my own but would have even more leverage as a member of a group of aggressive, shrewd, bilingual, experienced entrepreneurs with good contacts here in Asia.

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That’s not entirely true, there are well paid jobs here but usually with international companies. But practically it’s hard to get these type of opportunities and they work you to the bone. The best choice is indeed to have your own business.

As for development, it’s access to credit that is the issue I’d say.

face it MM…taiwanted’s dead…there have been 5 jobs in total this year on it. :whistle:[/quote]
Well, that’s not true at all, but I get your point. The fact is, it’s not dead, it’s dormant, suffering from neglect. When we get our shit together (and we will get our shit together), we will rock your (online classifieds in Taiwan) world. In the meantime, you’ll just have to make do with what we’ve got. :blush: :bow:[/quote]

my suggestion is relaunch with a new name…once the perception is fixed that its an empty site it’s as dead as a dodo IMHO…so new name and a fancy relaunch with girls in short skirts, free beer and finger food…

i got my last 2 jobs thru it but neither of those 2 companies will use it anymore…

face it MM…taiwanted’s dead…there have been 5 jobs in total this year on it. :whistle:[/quote]
Well, that’s not true at all, but I get your point. The fact is, it’s not dead, it’s dormant, suffering from neglect. When we get our shit together (and we will get our shit together), we will rock your (online classifieds in Taiwan) world. In the meantime, you’ll just have to make do with what we’ve got. :blush: :bow:[/quote]

my suggestion is relaunch with a new name…once the perception is fixed that its an empty site it’s as dead as a dodo IMHO…so new name and a fancy relaunch with girls in short skirts, free beer and finger food…

i got my last 2 jobs thru it but neither of those 2 companies will use it anymore…[/quote]

It’s been a real shame watching the slow death (or lets say “lack of growth”) of Taiwanted. I’ve always had trouble posting stuff on the site and there comes a point when you shrug your shoulders, mumble something along the lines of buggering things senseless and head out on a beer run. Like a lot of people, I was looking forward to it spanking tealit. And it would - eventually - have been a nice way to cover some of the costs of this forum.

That’s a good idea! :slight_smile: :thumbsup: