Top 100 universities in the world not in the US. If European schools are better than US ones, they will be ranked higher .
I’ve found I have my job for marketing reason - white face - and I’m often asked to lie about my back group – that is, engineer from a western company. (I hope I’ll have a new job for next month, but won’t know until next week )
Anyways, if I were you, I’d focus on becoming skilled. Then you can work anywhere. Girls can wait. You don’t want to end up like me, wasting 5 years in Taiwan doing nothing of any importance professionally. If you can find that skill-gaining experience in Taiwan, then great, but I don’t know where you can…[/quote]
I know a lot of the worlds top universities are in the US but I am not sure what list you seen where the top 100 were all in the US? A lot of that has to do with perception as well, it cannot be denied that overall the education system in America is of a lesser quality than many other places in the world.
Top 100 universities in the world not in the US. If European schools are better than US ones, they will be ranked higher .
I’ve found I have my job for marketing reason - white face - and I’m often asked to lie about my back group – that is, engineer from a western company. (I hope I’ll have a new job for next month, but won’t know until next week )
Anyways, if I were you, I’d focus on becoming skilled. Then you can work anywhere. Girls can wait. You don’t want to end up like me, wasting 5 years in Taiwan doing nothing of any importance professionally. If you can find that skill-gaining experience in Taiwan, then great, but I don’t know where you can…[/quote]
I know a lot of the worlds top universities are in the US but I am not sure what list you seen where the top 100 were all in the US? A lot of that has to do with perception as well, it cannot be denied that overall the education system in America is of a lesser quality than many other places in the world.[/quote]
That’s not what I’m saying I’m saying that the ranking is international and thus not restricted to the US.
I find your opinions on US universities odd nonetheless, but they are irrelevant in this discussion…
I know , I don’t mean to attack American education, I just find the Taiwanese attitude that if you were not educated in the US, then you might as well have not bothered being educated really annoying. I realise that US universities are some of the best in the world but I want my similarly good education to mean something and it looks like in Taiwan, it really does not mean a whole lot…
Sorry for coming across as a US hater, because I really am not!
[quote=“jah718”]I know , I don’t mean to attack American education, I just find the Taiwanese attitude that if you were not educated in the US, then you might as well have not bothered being educated really annoying. I realise that US universities are some of the best in the world but I want my similarly good education to mean something and it looks like in Taiwan, it really does not mean a whole lot…
Sorry for coming across as a US hater, because I really am not! [/quote]
I understand your point completely and agree. That would annoy me, too.
Once you spend more time outside Ireland you will get over this irrational complex. America is the big boy on the block, lots of Taiwanese studied in America and helped to improve the economy and society here. And it’s still got the best universities in the world, no doubt about it, just look at their faculty, output and resources. Look at the nobel prizes. Reverse things , do you think anybody in Ireland or UK cares if somebody has a degree from TaiDa, the highest rated college in Taiwan?
The other thing is that American universities have the best students. And most of them are not American. How many foreign students apply to Harvard or even the University of Pittsburgh? How many foreign students apply to the University of Dublin or the University of Limerick?
The number of applicants to the University of Pittsburgh was 24,869 for freshman admission.
UCLA received 91,512 applications for fall admission 2012. 20,395 of them were out-of-state and international applicants. I cannot find a specific number indicating how many were from international students.
It can be denied. The Times Higher Education (a British group) lists the best universities in the world on this list.
Seven of the top 10, including the top three universities, are American. There are plenty of universities from other nations in the top 400, but the US dominates the list. Occasionally you hear Europeans chuckle to themselves about how much better their universities are, and yet can never provide a substantial reason why they believe this. It’s total nonsense. If you’re going to get an MBA, get it from an American university.
It can be denied. The Times Higher Education (a British group) lists the best universities in the world on this list.
Seven of the top 10, including the top three universities, are American. There are plenty of universities from other nations in the top 400, but the US dominates the list. Occasionally you hear Europeans chuckle to themselves about how much better their universities are, and yet can never provide a substantial reason why they believe this. It’s total nonsense. If you’re going to get an MBA, get it from an American university. [/quote]
I wouldn’t be too proud of the MBAs from the US beyond their earning power, scientific and intellectual achievements would be on a different plane completely.
[quote=“jah718”]I know , I don’t mean to attack American education, I just find the Taiwanese attitude that if you were not educated in the US, then you might as well have not bothered being educated really annoying. I realise that US universities are some of the best in the world but I want my similarly good education to mean something and it looks like in Taiwan, it really does not mean a whole lot…
Sorry for coming across as a US hater, because I really am not! [/quote]
I’m an American and I don’t think there is any special preference for US education. It is true that most of the elite say over the age of 50 was educated in the US, but things have changed a lot since then. I would say that the best and brightest these days from Taiwan are just as likely to choose a European university outside of science and engineering. You people are also ignoring the signficant cohort of Taiwanese who study in Japanese universities which also havce signficant cachet here as well.
Sorry, you are kidding yourself. They may well think Europe and the US are more classy than the US, but they go to UK universities because you can get an MA/MBA in nine months while it takes at least two years to do the same in the US. Another factor is the visa situation. The truth is that the most Taiwanese don’t care where they go to school as long as they come home with the not very valuable degree and the more valuable experience of having lived overseas in an English speaking country. Bascially the UK programs are kind of a finishing school for middle class Taiwanese.
More on point for the OP: no one has any idea which list the CLA uses to determine ‘top 100’ universities. I suspect that there is quite a bit flexibility and they use their discretion based on the employer and what they think of the candidate.
An important point about the MBA is that you will be eligible to work in Taiwan with no work experience once you have the MBA. I personally know friends who did a Taiwan MBA and were eventaully able to find a job paying $70-80k. It’s possible. You might have to settle for one paying $50-60k first. You’ll have to work hard and pay your dues like everyone else.
The overrating of the value of education is a common issue with fresh graduates. Most of us got cut down to size pretty quick when we started out in the workplace.
Yes, and other people don’t work for money too? I said some Americans MBAs were worth it in their ability to make money, for some. To choose MBA holders as standard bearers for American education superiority would be foolhardy.
Let’s look at the reasons why an MBA bearer from an American university should earn more money. Exclusive, okay, but many courses are exclusive all over the world?
Expensive, okay, very expensive, although this is a function of the earning power after getting said MBA.
Great results in business, debatable that one.
The reason why MBAs from ivy league and certain institutions are paid well is due to the long period of American domination of the world economy aswell as having a generally good 3rd level education system. It is mainly the economic might that has driven it. Over time alumni networks built up which favoured alumni from given schools. When American multinationals expanded overseas they brought this same thinking with them, and foreigners with degrees from the same institutions were welcome as part of the recognised club to some degree. This spread the reputation of their MBA and the earning power worldwide.
If Chinese companies and economic might had the worldwide reach that American companies had, they would soon be the world’s go to place for MBA students (and it is starting to move that way…slowly…although the business language neccessity English makes it a very slow change). This accounts for the globalised MBA, the American and European institutions have been quite clever in trying to globalise quickly before local institutions raise their game and steal their business.
Anyway my main point is that usually an MBA doesn’t compare to the knowledge or commitment needed to earn a Master’s in a scientific or technical displicines, or in your discipline of translation for instance.
[quote=“jah718”]Okay, so I have just finished a foreign exchange year here from my university back home. I studied Chinese at 政大 for the past year. Back home I am studying a double major of Chinese and International Business. I will be graduating next year and intend to move to Taiwan to be with my girlfriend. Now, I am currently trying to research the possibilities of scholarships for a master program but what I would really like to do is get a proper job that actually uses my degree. My Chinese is quite good and will be even better next year, I can also read and write and use traditional characters. I know I could teach english but I would really rather not go down that road, as I don’t know where that is supposed to lead me. I would ideally like a job in the business or financial sector.
If it makes any difference, I am from Ireland. I would also like to earn a decent wage, otherwise maybe teaching english is a better option…
Many thanks for your help and input!
John[/quote]
Hello John, welcome to the 'mosa.
Well,m I am an MBA holder, also from Chengda, quite fluent in Chinese -well, good enough not to starve! My answer is based on my own experience and that of classmates of my generation. I have been offered several positions but the lack of specific experience in particular fields has become quite a hamper. You should definitively consider focusing on certain areas of economic growth, gathering experience and contacts, before moving here. It used to be easy to start from zero and get the experience here. I believe it may still be possible but will make things harder. You also should consider doing an internship, however short, on a local company. The corporate culture is quite particular in Taiwan, you need to know if you can take it or not.
The thing is, as Ironlady explained, that being fluent in Mandarin is a good thing outside of Taiwan, probably more valuable and valued abroad than here, and being fluent will certainly make your life easier but you definitively need something else here. My program required two year experience before entering and so the classmates that wanted to stay found positions here, though not ideal, at least suitable. Some used their connections back in their home countries to make business links. Others, at least 5 of my foreign classmates have started their own enterprises here -another avenue you should consider. They are doing well.
We can spell it out for the OP, no overtime, frequently being asked to work on weekends or make up days in some companies, unfair pay deductions, scheduling meetings late in the day, lack of organization, contracts not being worth the paper they are printed on. Yes that corporate culture.
rampant nepotism
exciting office politics
upper management incompetence
the love of the ‘blue ocean strategy’ or the latest buzzword BS
smelly biandangs eaten at the desks
the black pants and white shirts
fun-filled compulsory excursions on your time
your coworkers whose life is their job etc
Spot on Feiren, smelly Bian Dangs at desks . It’s great when you have a whole meeting room of people chowing down with their mouths open too.
The long working hours and lack of public and private holidays is probably the biggest problem, that and the relatively low pay even for responsible roles. Many companies are controlled by rich families, so limited advancement can be an issue too. Yes and working can suck pretty much anywhere.
Take that crappy 50k job, embrace the suck. Learn a skill, learn Taiwanese corporate culture… Language is just a tool to do something else - learn that something else. Who knows? It just might get you somewhere.
[quote]rampant nepotism
exciting office politics
upper management incompetence
the love of the ‘blue ocean strategy’ or the latest buzzword BS
smelly biandangs eaten at the desks
the black pants and white shirts
fun-filled compulsory excursions on your time
your coworkers whose life is their job etc[/quote]
Input any corporate name here and you will find the above to a greater or lesser extent.
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, I don’t mean to attack American education, I just find the Taiwanese attitude that if you were not educated in the US, then you might as well have not bothered being educated really annoying. I realise that US universities are some of the best in the world but I want my similarly good education to mean something and it looks like in Taiwan, it really does not mean a whole lot…
