John Kerry

[Fox]

I think John Kerry is the best choice for President in terms of putting an end to the luncay in Iraq.

The War on Iraq is unwinnable without internationalization. Currently the situation is intractable. The Bush administration cannot provide the level of internationalization required to win. There credibility is almost zero in the UN and to be frank many UN member states don’t mind letting them stew in it . If people are being beheaded and the US has set up its own proxy torture stations I don’t think it is bothering many European, Asian, or Arab states politically that much. Though they are as appalled as all of us that the US has been reduced in rhetoric to the point of saying well at least we don’t behead them.

The UN will be jumping at the opportunity of forging a new relationship with the States, and Kerry whilst maybe not their first choice, may be their only acceptable one in a two horse race.

[imyourbiggestfan]

@Fox

The War on Iraq is unwinnable without internationalization.

I doubt this is strictly true. Its unwinnable without giving control back to Iraqis. Internationalisation would surely help, but it is neither necessary nor sufficient for success.

@Fox

the UN will be jumping at the opportunity of forging a new relationship with the States, and Kerry whilst maybe not their first choice, may be their only acceptable one in a two horse race.

Undoubtedly true.

I think the satirical bit at the start of this thread rings quite true. I don’t know whther I like kerry or not. I don’t know if I know what he’s about at all. I reckon Bush’s attack dogs have (fairly or otherwise) done a pretty good ‘job’ on him so far.

[Chewycorns]

@imyourbiggestfan

[quote=“Fox”]The War on Iraq is unwinnable without internationalization.

I doubt this is strictly true. Its unwinnable without giving control back to Iraqis. Internationalisation would surely help, but it is neither necessary nor sufficient for success.

@Fox

the UN will be jumping at the opportunity of forging a new relationship with the States, and Kerry whilst maybe not their first choice, may be their only acceptable one in a two horse race.

Undoubtedly true.

I think the satirical bit at the start of this thread rings quite true. I don’t know whther I like Kerry or not. I don’t know if I know what he’s about at all. I reckon Bush’s attack dogs have (fairly or otherwise) done a pretty good ‘job’ on him so far.[/quote]

His VP selection, unlike most presidential contests, will have a big sway over his chances in November. I think unless he picks Edwards or McCain, his chances are slim.

[Vorkosigan]

Why not a woman from a swing state? Split the femmes from the other side. Especially if he picks a relatively young one who can gain in stature from international exposure, and position for a run in 2012. Although Edwards would certainly make a compelling ticket. McCain I don’t know.

Vorkosigan

[ac_dropout]

I don’t know if the VP selection will be a clincher for Kerry. I think the War in Iraq will be pivotal issue. Depends how people feel about the war in November

[Tigerman]

@ac_dropout

I don’t know if the VP selection will be a clincher for Kerry. I think the War in Iraq will be pivotal issue. Depends how people feel about the war in November

I think you’re right.

[imyourbiggestfan]

@tigerman

[quote=“ac_dropout”]I don’t know if the VP selection will be a clincher for Kerry. I think the War in Iraq will be pivotal issue. Depends how people feel about the war in November

I think you’re right.[/quote]

I’m not so sure. Kerry’s best marks were coming on economic issues. Everyone was betting that Gerge W might suffer the same fate as his pa - the jobless recovery.

My impression is that, even as the war turns bad and w’s approval ratings fall, his core support remains fairly solid. I have been surprised how little impact it has had on “who-would-you-vote-for” polls.

[Chewycorns]

Most of the people IMO have already made up their mind. Most states are either heavy blue or red states. This election will come down to 5 to 10 border states where people are heavily in favor of the war in Iraq, but who face economic uncertainty. A VP pick that can play upon class antagonism and populism (eg. Edwards ) will help Kerry, who has done a terrible job campaigning so far.

[imyourbiggestfan]

@Chewycorns

This election will come down to 5 to 10 border states where people are heavily in favor of the war in Iraq, but who face economic uncertainty.

If you are right, time is probably not on Kerry’s side, as the economic news seems to be improving.

[lane119_aka_Cola]

There’s a photo of Kerry’s daughter on the red carpet at Cannes with her nipples, no bra, showing through her sheer dress. I won’t link to it because it might be offensive to some people, nipples that is, but you can find it on drudge now if you look.

Question is: do you think this provocative photo of the candidates’ grown daughter showing her tits at Cannes will impact his campaign stateside, when the rightwing nutters get ahold of the photo, and say: see what kind of children he brings up!???

Comments? (you can read more in the flounder section)

[Vorkosigan]

[quote=“lane119”]There’s a photo of Kerry’s daughter on the red carpet at Cannes with her nipples, no bra, showing through her sheer dress. I won’t link to it because it might be offensive to some people, nipples that is, but you can find it on drudge now if you look.

Question is: do you think this provocative photo of the candidates’ grown daughter showing her tits at Cannes will impact his campaign stateside, when the rightwing nutters get ahold of the photo, and say: see what kind of children he brings up!???

Comments? (you can read more in the flounder section)[/quote]

Did she get busted for underage drinking???

[maoman]

@lane119

when the rightwing nutters get ahold of the photo, and say: see what kind of children he brings up!?

Bush supporters would do well to not start comparing Presidential daughters. The Bush girls aren’t exactly the products of a Swiss finishing school…

[lane119_aka_Cola]

[quote=“Vorkosigan”]
Did she get busted for underage drinking???[/quote]

Tuesday media report.

…photo and story appeared today in Apple Daily, Liberty Times, China Times, United Daily News.

But didn’t see it in any of the English papers.

The Taipei Times did carry a small feature story about Cannes that mentioned Kerry being there, but no mention of politics at all.

No, no busts, just hers, no controversy, no news really. But it might erupt tomorrow among the rightwing nutters in the Bush camp. If nothing happens at all, then it’s a good sign that our culture is growing up. We’ll see.

Her reason for being there in the flesh: Kerry’s daughter goes to Cannes with short Vietnam film:

…in the basement of the Palais, where the business deals are made, Alexandra Kerry, a daughter of Senator John Kerry, presented her short film, “The Last Full Measure,” about the return of a Vietnam veteran to his family. The film, seen through the eyes of a small girl, may touch on some home truths for the young director.

What the UK SUN said, hedlined, “It’s Kerry nice to see ya!” was ''brunette Alexandra Kerry left movie fans gasping at the Cannes Film Festival in her daring see-through dress… ‘’

Is this a step-daughter or a biological daughter from first marriage? Whatever, it seems rather WILD and BOLD of her to appear that way, KNOWING that while it might attract MEDIA attention for her film, good marketing movie, Alexandra, it might also attract NEGATORY media attention for her father.

I applaud. He’s got my vote now.

[Hobart]

If you Google Kerry and Taiwan you will find a lot of PRO-CHINA, and almost ANTI-TAIWAN quotes from Kerry. As someone that is married to a Taiwan citizen and has already bought a home in Taiwan and has a business in Taiwan, I have to vote based on how a candidate will treat Taiwan.

Clinton’s PRC butt kissing was an embarassment to the USA and not good news for Taiwan, I want four more years of I will do whatever it takes to defend Taiwan!

Look even AC_Dropout loves Kerry, that has got to mean he is bad news for Taiwan!

[butcher_boy]

Bush was hardly able to to get his tongue out of the Chinese PMs shitter when he went for his trip to the states. Not sure either of them really gives a shit about (democratic) Taiwan.

[flike]

@imyourbiggestfan

[quote=“Chewycorns”]This election will come down to 5 to 10 border states where people are heavily in favor of the war in Iraq, but who face economic uncertainty.

If you are right, time is probably not on Kerry’s side, as the economic news seems to be improving.[/quote]

Maybe. However, I think that your argument would be strengthened if Bush could manage to keep at least one foot off his dick at all times:

[quote=“NewsNet5.com, local Ohio news,”]
[color=red][b]Timken Layoffs Potentially Devastating For Canton

1,300 Jobs Predicted To Be Cut[/color][/b]

CANTON, Ohio – Timken is slashing a quarter of its employees in Canton, and as workers facing layoffs consider their future, the ripple effect is already beginning.

“How can I afford to get married, afford a house payment, maybe kids, if I don’t have a job?” said Timken employee Shawn Higgins.

Timken is Canton’s biggest employer, and it is reported that 1,300 jobs are to be cut. Former Mayor Richard Watkins, who led the city for 12 years, knows how enormous the impact of such a downsizing can be.

“It isn’t just about Timken,” said Watkins. “Other jobs are affected. If (people) can’t spend money, the smaller entrepreneur won’t be able to stay in business.”

Ironically, it was a little more than a year ago when President George W. Bush visited Timken’s world headquarters heralding his tax cut and job creation plan. Now this very company’s job cuts will be a major blow to the economy in Canton. …

newsnet5.com/news/3310895/detail.html[/quote]

[lane119_aka_Cola]

Just to show how the Kerry daughter see thru dress flap HAS become politicized by the media, as correctly predicted it would be one poster here, take a look at these links:

Boobs take centre stage

news24.com/News24/Backpage/H … 77,00.html

Comments from the political world:

Washington Times editorial page editor Tony Blankley: “It was a lovely photograph, but not a single vote is going to be cast based on the naked appearance of his daughter. Those people who care about that deeply are probably not Kerry voters. I assume she’s available for dating - I would think when you dress as enchantingly as that, you’re looking forward to enchanting others.”

Former Al Gore campaign manager Donna Brazile: “Too Much Information! Whatever happened to earth tones?”

New York Public Advocate Betsy Gotbaum: “What’s everybody so uptight about? I thinks she has a very nice body, and she seems perfectly well-covered. But I don’t know anything about the ‘red states.’ I never leave New York City.”

Clinton advisor James Carville: “Who’s Alexandra Kerry? … I’m not commenting on John Kerry’s daughter or anyone else’s daughter.”

Bush/Cheney campaign spokesman Kevin Madden: “I’m not going to comment.”

[fred_smith]

Who the hell is john kerry?

[lane119_aka_Cola]

And a final note on those Kerry daughter pics that got floundered. Turns out they did have a political impact.

Only a few US papers picked it up according to Lexis-Nexis, but some failed to mention that the “nude” (actually, bra-less) Kerry was wearing a sheer black dress that became, well, very sexy, in the glare of the paparazzi flash bulbs. This, according to Agence France Press, which took the picture.

Yet Lloyd Grove in the NY Daily News wrote the gown “left very little – well, nothing really – to the imagination.” And he quoted a bunch of the usual pundits as to how it would play in “the red states” No mention of the flash bulbs. (To be fair, the rival NYPost also reported it.)

Granted the story mainly ran in gossip columns, but gleaned off of Yahoo – which failed to note the bulb effect –

MOINEY QUOTE: but it was all over Internet bulletin boards yesterday without the benefit of the clarification.

DOUBLE MONEY QUOTE: This set off typical right-wing bashing about Hollywood’s influence in a Kerry administration and debates on who was worse, the “naked” Kerry “slut” or the loopy Bush girls.

See, Maoman? There was a good political angle here. Bring back the floundered thread, or is that impossible now.