Junior High woes

I just started teaching a junior high class this month, twice a week, 30 minutes each class (I share with a Chinese teacher), and this crew is the worst.

They seem to have no respect for me whatsoever. And, they don’t seem to care much for the English they are supposed to be learning. At least, I get no response during oral questions and review.

Yeah it sucks. :raspberry:

I had to discipline a couple students the other day for not listening to me and I really hate that. I think I made a couple enemies because they seemed very confused about this. I think they have not been asked of much in the past and now they are baffled.

They also come in late, at least five minutes, and start moving desks around so they can sit next to their buddies. :fume: Of course, if I take exception to this, the whole class looks at me like I’m some fool, as does the student who is causing the disruption.

So what I would like is some suggestions regarding response and studying/in-class discipline (or how I can AVOID in class discipline).

For instance, if I’m reviewing work they should know, such as simple questions and answers (no grammar point), how do I elicit a response?

I really hate to take the high road with this class but I will not tolerate students who would rather talk to their friend than listen to the teacher when I am giving them instructions.

I also dislike students who feel they can arrive late and start moving furniture around during the lesson. Should I make up a list of rules here?

Cheers :wink:

Every Wensday night I teach two girls, fourteen and seventeen. They absolutely do make a point of letting me know that they aren’t interested in another “lesson.” Fucked if I can blame them. Anyway tonight was the best night we have had so far. I brought a Norah Jones CD and the lyric sheet which is written up in English and Chinese and I also brought a pile of photographs taken from my long, and from their perspective I would have to guess, pretty wierd life. There is me and a baby moose. Me standing beside a pyramid in Mexico. Me skiing on a glacier in Alaska. Me standing in the middle of Death Valley. Me in Mexico City. Me me me my friends and family. All I did was throw on the CD and show them the pictures. They looked at them without me seeing which one they were looking at and tried to describe which picture they were showing me. I got all sentimental about it. “Yeah that was my horse god I loved her” and " Oh yeah you should have seen what happened here blah blah blah. Whenever anything segued into anything that was interesting to them I just went with it. They are learning to swim so mask, snorkel, fins was a natural from the CanCun pictures etc. Finally we wrapped up by reading the lyric sheet in Chinese and English and rapping about that a bit. They both love Norah Jones so that was easy. By the end of the night they were asking me questions about phonics of all things. It was all very relaxed and friendly and I didn’t hassle them a bit for flinging furniture around (I wonder do they all do that?) or for speaking Chinese. If they said something I understood I translated it but that was about it.

Don’t know exactly how this will help you in a school setting but I suspect the soft approach might be better with teens. That and finding something they actually have an interest in.

They don’t view you as a real “teacher”. Talk to their Chinese teacher about the discipline problem, and if s/he doesn’t listen, you could always go to the school principal. Just be upfront and say that if they can’t control their behavior, you can’t teach them. I’ve taught at public junior highs twice before. The first time was a nightmare because it was during their “summer vacation” (some “vacation,” since most Taiwanese students still go to school during the summer), and I constantly had problems with the students. Since I had no Chinese teacher present, I was responsible for disciplining them myself. So, after a verbal lecture (in Chinese), I just did what their Chinese teachers usually do … mop the floors and clean the bathrooms. For those who goofed off while they were supposed to be being punished, they went to the principal’s office. Later, I found out that that is very rare and a serious deal in Taiwan. Apparently, discipline problems rarely go beyond the teacher unless it is something extremely serious. Anyway, I had a talk with some of the parents and got them pretty much straightened out by the end of the summer. The second junior high I taught at was much better. They were a little rowdy, but they listened and worked pretty hard. Teaching junior high kids, though, from any country, is certainly a lesson in patience.

bob, you’re in a conversational setting with TWO teens. You have an opportunity to build a relationship.

First questions for wonder:

How many students in a class?
What is the ability range in the class?
What are you actually there for? Like, what do you realistically hope to achieve in this time with this number of students? And why has the school hired you? What do they want?

2x 30 minutes a week, during which you take a roll call? How long until the end of term? Six weeks by my calendar.

Really, the issue is one of how much the school will support you in your effot to impose discipline. There is a very real perception in many high schools of foreign teachers as being just there for show. You’re probably not considered to be a real teacher by the rest of the faculty, and this attitude is communicated to the students.

What would happen if they behaved this way in a local teacher’s class? It’s unlikely that they would get away with it, so why are you being asked to deal with it? Because you’re just the token white face they’ve hired to keep the parents happy.

It can be a real pisser, especially if you have no power to give detentions etc. But do you really want to make a big deal of it with just a few weeks until the end of term?

In your situation I would probably just live with it. But I have another question. Who are these students? Why is there just one class? Why have they been singled out? Are they remedial students, or are they supposed to be the best and brightest? It seems like a very odd set-up.

If you’re planning to make a long-term gig of this then obviously you need to take control, but it’s not going to happen without support from the school. If they won’t deal with it then you may as well give up.

Try this: Enter the room as the bell rings, and immediately take a roll call. Any student who doesn’t immediately answer with an intelligible response is marked absent. Anyone arrives late is marked down accordingly. When you have finished send your co-teacher to bring the school discipline officer. Every school has one, and his/her job is to deal with this crap. It’s not yours.

If the co-teacher refuses to bring this person then just refuse to teach. You require discipline in your class to do your job, for which you need other people to do theirs. In all probability the discipline guy doesn’t even know what’s going on with your class. You could try seeking him out in advance of the class and asking him to come along and talk to them. That’s his job, and it reflects badly on him if he can’t/won’t maintain order. Have you tried talking to your co-teacher as well? If nothing comes of this then you’re on your own and wasting your time.

We have an effective system at my school for dealing with behavioural problems, with demerits, detentions, or even expulsions at the end of the process. The students know that we have the backing of the school, so it’s a lot easier to deal with the small day-to-day stuff that is inevitable. By and large, junior high students are a lot of fun to teach and I enjoy my job. You just have to find a school that takes the whole thing seriously.

I’ve “taught” in high schools with 50-60 students in a class, one 45-minute session per week, no support. You really can’t do a lot in those kind of situations, and nobody really expects you to. You’re there to keep them happy, keep the parents (paying customers) happy, and maybe to make a few students feel a bit less intimidated by the idea of talking to a foreigner. Getting into a conflict won’t help them or you.

It’s an hour a week, for six weeks. Learn to live with it, or quit. Either way, it’s not worth losing sleep over. And they sure as hell better have a good pay rate for you. How long does it take to get to/from this class? How much prep do you have to do? Is it worth doing?

Wonder,

An ex girlfriend of mine came home after two days in a job and said “It’s no good, they don’t respect me” I told her that you can’t automatically expect respect. Respect is earned over time. Like Lorri said don’t sweat it too much. Time will tell if you can handle them. God, I’ve toughened up over time. One kid started bawling the other day because he cocked something up. I turned to the Chinese teacher and said “Don’t worry, he’ll get over it”. Two minutes later he was back in the game with a smile.

I hate it when they come in late with an attitude, but I just shrug if off. Don’t let things like this piss on your fireworks. I have problems with one class that are just way out of line. Frankly, I hate most of them, but I ‘m hard on them because I can see that the other half of the class really want to learn. I don’t see why half the kids should dominate and/or suffer the other students’ attitude. Do you?

Look for cliques and patterns in the way they sit, be hard and split them up (so they can’t see each other is best).

At the end of the day, it’s an hour a week (two in mine) and you get a wad of cash. Don’t let it bother you.

L :smiley:

Thanks everyone. You’re right when you say don’t let it bother you. The reason is this JH class is a huge contrast to the smaller kids in the very same school.

I’ve had this class for a few weeks and that’s why I was surprised at their blase attitude toward me last time. Maybe I do expect too much. Who knows? Maybe I’ll just walk around the class talking to myself.

BTW, this class is just one of five or six I teach at the same school in the same day, so I’m not making a special trip.

Cheers.