Kaohsiung Public Transportation

I’ve been in Kaohsiung for a few now and am getting just fine with the subway and bus system. People often always say to get a scooter when in Taiwan, but so far, I feel like I’ll be able to live without. I’ve lived in Tainan and had a scooter while living there, no choice really since the public transportation is close to nonexistent, but I find Kaohsiung too big to be scooter friendly with all the traffic and pollution, let see how long I’ll last.

Anyway, I was wondering if other people here have also managed to live here, in Kaohsiung, using mainly public transportation?

I think, right now, the main thing still bothers is the lack of a general bus map to see how far I can explore or where I can go, but luckily Google Maps comes to the rescue by indicating bus stops on the map and can even take it in account when calculating directions.

If anyone else wants to venture with the bus system, in case it hasn’t been posted yet, here’s a link to all the lines and timetables: epage.khbus.gov.tw/files/11-1000-89.php
There’s an English version of the site but information on there is less complete.

Not I.

2 months of being here without a scooter almost drove me batty. I don’t like waiting around to get across town either so public transport was out.

I tried to make public transit work but the waiting drove me crazy. I take the MRT sometimes but I remember the last time I tried the busing. by the time I walked to the bus stop, waited for the bus, rode the bus and walked to Costco it took me 1:15+. I spent 20 minutes at Costco and then did the same song and dance for the trip home. On my motorcycle it takes me 10-15 minutes. 3 hours vs 1 hour killed the novelty of public transit. This is the 168 bus from Carrefour (Love River) to the old Costco. The MRT is a pretty good system although it doesn’t go enough places yet.

Plus if you miss the bus, in some cases you have a fun 30 minute wait for the next one.

The reason the locals have been shunning the MRT here is because as you said, it simply doesn’t go to enough useful places, and then you still require another means of transportation to get where you want to go. It is much easier to have a scooter.

Right. No point in using the subway when you have drive to the station, or walk in the heat on both end of the trip. May as well just drive from point to point. Not to mention the time you waste trying to take the bus.

In Taipei, there are enough stations for the subway to be almost point to point, even if you have to change trains a time or two. Many times, this still saves time over traffic, and stations are air conditioned and out of the rain. But in Koahsiung there are simply not enough stops and residential areas are often too far away from shopping/business areas, unless you’re right in the center of things.

It DOES take some steely nerves, but it makes more sense, time and convience wise, to drive in Kaohsiung.

They need to expand it but dont have enough funds, meanwhile the current system racks up debt. Kaoshiung is not on the list of KMT priorities.

I’ve lived in Kaohsiung for three years and I’ve never driven a scooter here. I will admit the bus system is a real pain in the butt, even if you are familiar with it. You may have memorized schedules and learned where the buses go and how they work, but it seems drivers still end up arriving late, not arriving at all, or more infuriatingly, they may drive right past you. :bluemad: It’s probably the only thing about public transportation that I have a real issue with. But with the MRT system and a bicycle, travel is convenient enough, at least for me. Also, there’s the bigger picture, which is that I don’t and won’t drive a scooter because it’s more environmentally friendly, and I don’t support the selfish driving culture in this city.

Notice that people who live K-town habitually drive to go to a 7-11 or tea shop just around the corner. They live their lives like they’d never grown a pair of feet. :unamused: Obviously, I do a lot of walking, but the places I need to go are rarely more than a 15 minute walk away from the MRT. I really don’t think it’s so bad even with the heat (bring a parasol or walk a shady, cooler route, and I don’t mind it, but if you ever tell a local you’ve walked even 5 minutes to get somewhere, they’ll gasp and complain about how it’s SO FAR. I’ve even had people tell me that that kind of walk simply can’t be done. Once I needed directions to a place that turned out to be just down the block, and before I knew that someone told me, “Oh, it’s too far. You won’t be able to get there without a scooter.” :ohreally: I won’t even get started about theirs feelings on riding bicycles. People are just purely lazy here.

I choose to take public transportation, especially the MRT, because it’s a new system and it needs people to support it. If people don’t take the MRT, it’ll be a lot harder for the company to develop more lines and for them run more trains more often, and it’s also harder to change other people’s attitudes towards taking it.

People drive scooters because it’s convenient, but it’s only convenient because they can drive anywhere they want to, as quickly and recklessly as they want to without the police doing anything about. This is not just on the streets, but also on the sidewalks and in parks. Then they park on the sidewalks and street corners. They don’t have any consideration for others, and they stink up the street in a really terrible way. This makes it really hard and dangerous for pedestrians, and it makes it dangerous for other drivers, too. Actually, I’m pretty sure you’re in much more danger than a pedestrian if you drive along with other scooterists. At least pedestrians spend most of their commute underground and off the street.

If you feel you can manage without a scooter, I’m pretty sure you can too. I don’t really understand the need to rush around. Please, this is Kaohsiung, and it’s really not a fast paced city quite like Taipei. People are consistently late, they don’t plan for anything, and they wander around aimlessly. That seems to be something they embrace here. And if you’ve got a long commute, read a book, listen to some great music as you watch the city through the window, or interact with people during your ride, and the time you sit around on a bus is much better spent than if you were zipping around the city, not really doing anything at all.

Some especially useful tricks to make travel convenient for me:
Taking the MRT, and bringing a folding bicycle. It’s free, so if the walk does turn out to be a little further, especially on a hot day, you just unfold the bike and roll over to wherever it is you need to get to. When you get there, just lock it up, or fold and carry it inside.
Also, if I were going on a shopping trip at Costco or Carrefour, I usually make it only a monthly or bi-monthly trip. I walk or train it one way, buy a TON of stuff (like we do at home), and hire a cab for the way back. Depending on where I am, it’ll cost somewhere between 90 to 220 for me to do all that. Totally worth it when you buy enough stuff to fill a car all the way because someone else is doing the driving after an exhausting shopping trip AND you don’t have to do all the heavy lifting by yourself. :discodance:

I’ve lived in Xinbei for seven years by the same principles: I generally walk, bike and take maximum advantage of public transportation (buses, trains, MRT) and the occasional taxi. As a consequence, in all that time I’ve been here I’ve never owned a car, never owned a scooter and never had any regrets whatsoever.

Well if you have a family and live outside Taipei things start to get pretty difficult without a car.

Why? I have a family and live outside Taipei. Don’t believe what everybody tells you and you will find it isn’t that hard.

I don’t need to believe, I KNOW it would be difficult. I visit the in-laws in the next county. My wife likes her visit to the countryside, as do my kids and I. How am I going to do that with very young children? It’s 35C for half the Summer. There are few pavements anywhere. How do I bring my kids to hospital? What about shopping? There is no decent public transportation in Taichung, at least in vast areas of it. So even if I didn’t have a car I would still be depending on a lot of taxis…no thanks.

I don’t think anybody said that it’s impossible but it’s really inconvenient. I already gave an example of a trip to Costco which would be pretty standard for any trip. Of course you only need to go to Costco every 6-8 weeks but taking buses typically adds 30-45 minutes in each direction. I don’t really see biking as an convenient option for about 6 months of the year when it’s 30-35+C and frequently rains. I do bike/walk the 1.5 kms to work frequently but there are a lot of times that I don’t want to be ridiculously sweaty when I arrive.

If you enjoy taking taxis, waiting at bus stops and being sweaty then it’s possible to make it work but most aren’t willing to make those tradeoffs.

I think it’s all about perspective. The way it sounds to me, all these grievances about distance, heat, and weather seem a tad exaggerated.

This city is so dry, I find myself begging for rainy days, even if it means having to ride through it on a bike. It almost never rains in Kaohsiung, except between July and August during the typhoon season. And when those rainy days come, you do what most people do in any situation and carry rain gear. And don’t tell me it gets any less wet when you plow through a storm on a scooter. At least when I bike, I can pedal it to the nearest train station and ride safe and dry the rest of the way to work or home.

Also, it is not 30-35+ degrees six months out of the year. It’s only gets to be that hot, about 32 or 33 degrees usually, for the two or three months between June and August, and rarely does it ever get hotter than that. Spring and fall are perfectly comfortable seasons for walking or biking, and the peak winter months are cold enough that you’d be doing yourself a favor by getting some exercise and warming up.

I take the MRT a few stops and bike nearly 3.5 km (only 10 minutes!) one way to work in the afternoons when it’s warmer, and bike the entire 8.5 kilometers (30 minutes) back home at night when it’s cooler. It’s really not that bad. Really. I just bring a towel and an extra set of clothes, and I make real good use out of my office sink. This three year long routine hasn’t killed me. Seriously though, when you do this enough, you learn what times of day are the best to walk/bike (eg. not between 12pm and 3pm), where the coolest parts of the street are at which times, and you learn to prepare yourself for all kinds of weather. Once you figure all of this out, you feel empowered and you start to enjoy being outside (which is something I think more people really need and should look into doing more often. I think it’s wonderful.) But if you still can’t handle getting sweaty from a 10-15 minute walk, I guess there’s not much else you can really do. However, I’d say you’re really living in the wrong part of the country.

(Just curious, Abacus… both warehouses in Kaohsiung are less than a 5 minute walk away from the closest MRT stations. Unless the MRT was leaps away from your house, why on earth would you take a 45 minute bus ride just to get to Costco?)

If you’re happy then be happy but don’t make it sound like I don’t walk and bike a lot. Sometimes I barely ride my motorcycle during the week. I pick whichever vehicle is better for the current trip. I’m not as willing to compromise as you.

May to October all have avg highs of 30+C. Avg rainfall for May to September is 200mm, 400, 400, 400 and 250mm’s. I consider that a lot of rain. rain gear works significantly better on scooter/motorcycle than on a bike. I’ve done both and unless you are wearing rainpants on bike (which sucks) you get soaked. There are also a lot of days that I’m doing something socially and it’s not possible to change into new clothes or arrive sweaty. based on your comments it sounds like you only go the grocery and work so I guess it works for you. I travel all over Kaohsiung and pretty much everywhere in Taiwan usually where buses don’t go.

I live south of the art museum now and the bus is the only option. If I want to take the MRT then I might as well bike all the way to Costco and come back with a loaded backpack.

I have to say that the deal breaker for me to rely mostly on public transportation, is living right next to the MRT, then I don’t mind taking the bus. Sure, there are places I easily can’t get to, but manageable with a bicycle. I don’t think I’d stand doing bus then MRT though. Some bus lines run pretty frequently so the wait is pretty short, but when it comes every half-hour, it becomes a pain for sure.
Glad to hear that people like xiaojuan are managing living in Kaohsiung without a scooter :bravo: I’ll also get one of those foldable bikes to have more flexibility with places to go to. I’ve realized Kaohsiung is not as big as I thought, so MRT+bike will also be a good compromise for me. I’ll sacrifice a little comfort to keep another scooter off the road :slight_smile:

And what in the world did Kaohsiung city think when installing those shared-bicycle?? With the weather here, they seriously didn’t think it may not be an appropriate idea? I wished they’d replace those with electric-scooters, haha, I’m sure those would be much popular.

I really like the idea of the shared bikes. It’s a step in the right direction, at least. I lived south of the Art museam, too–well south in Niao Song. And I have a child. Public transportation just wasn’t a daily option. Years ago, when I first set foot on the island, I used busses a lot. But then I lived in the city, had no child, and had to spend LOTS of time waiting for busses. They’d come two at once, once an hour, and barely stop unless you jumped in front of them! That was in '99 a few months before the big earthquake, and even then they were saying they’d have the subway any time! Ha. Ten years later it finally got built, but it’s still not where it needs to be. Progress is a slow journey somtimes, but it IS evident.

Did you move back to the US again? I thought you were still in Taiwan but you said " I lived"… :slight_smile:

Did you move back to the US again? I thought you were still in Taiwan but you said " I lived"… :slight_smile:[/quote]

Yes, past tense. :neutral:

Hi all!

I’m new to Formosa, but I have been following various threads for a couple of months now. First off, thanks to the original poster for starting this conversation. My girlfriend and I are moving to Taiwan in January and we’re trying to decide on a city to settle in. We currently live in a very bike friendly city and commute 100% by bicycle and public transit (bus and rail), with average daily commutes of 10-15 miles per day depending on the weather (it gets quite cold during the winter).

We are opting not to live in Taipei as we want to keep our living costs down so we’re totally open to bike commuting combined with public transit (just like here in the states), but we’re curious as to which city is better suited for it. I’ve heard that Kaohsiung has public bikeways and a bike sharing system, but that the pollution and traffic are a drag. However Taichung is in flat basin so I would think (provided the weather is decent) it would be a great place to bike commute, despite have a next to non-existent public transit system (so I’ve read). We’ve been in contact with a friend of a friend in Taichung who swears that it’s the best city to settle in, but she drives a scooter. We’d love to hear about the city from someone who regularly bikes there.

Any suggestions on where 2 bike commuters might be most happy; Taichung or Kaohsiung? Aside from bicycle infrastructure, we are interested in a place with some type of bike culture as well (bike groups, clubs, events, etc).

Thanks again. This forum is quite informative. Better than some I’ve seen during my time in Korea.

Taipei has good bike path networks and you can reduce cost by living in new Taipei city.

Taichung doesn’t really have bike paths except for on outskirts, it is relatively flat though and should be easy enough to cycle if you can mix in wit traffic. I don’t see too many people cycling around though.
Actually I do see plenty of people biking but that Is because I live on the edge of the city.

Some of the smaller cities are great for cycling because they are quieter and lots of countryside but hard to get a job or adjust for some people.

Kaoshiung has good or even I could say great bike paths in the city too, Taiwan can be hot half the year, can be difficult to bike in the daytime.