Kindergarten Morning Hours - is it illegal?

Or not paying your taxes due, at least for landlords.

People in this thread are claiming foreign teachers with open work rights are not legally allowed to teach 2-6 year old children in a registered buxiban. To the best of my belief they can. However, this issue is confusing so many people that a clearer statement of the law specifically regarding teaching 2-6 year old children english in registered buxibans would be a good idea.

it seems i skipped over the post(s). anyone is still claiming this?

Thanks for everyone’s input so far, quite enlightening, honestly. I feel much more knowledgeable about this subject now, for sure.

Yeah more clarity from the gov would be nice, 100%

I too know of a kindergarten registered as a cram school that has foreign teachers, all of whom are on work-based ARCs. The teachers do have early childhood credentials in their home countries though. The MOE has been and there wasn’t any problem with the setup.

I took this to mean that the poster was under the impression this school was registered as a buxiban (but teaching kindergarten aged children).

If it’s absolutely crystal clear that, as I believe, foreigners can legally teach english to 2-6 age children in registered buxibans, then great. (Teachers just have to make sure their is registered as a buxiban, not a kindergarten). But lots of people are indeed confused about this.

Hell of a story – completely ridiculous! I couldn’t do that, day-in, day-out, no matter the money. Guess I am a weenie

Oh yes, you do need a foreigner to teach ABCs, otherwise you get Taiwan English.

L = Elo
F = Efu
G = Gwee
H = A-chee
N = Uhn
S = Esoo
X = Eka-suh

Then it becomes “fossilized” and they speak the shit English heard on Taiwan TV and everywhere!

M-F 4 hours per day @$1,000 per hour = $20k per week and $80k per month and untaxed. Not too shabby for a part-time gig.

The worst thing that is ever going to happen to them is a fine if they get caught and or admit what they are doing there . Certainly not deportation or any jail time.

They also will fail to distinguish short from long vowel sounds (since they try to teach English phonics using zhuyin. I really hate zhuyin)

My first guess was the “masquerading as a buxiban” means there is a registered buxiban next to the registered kindergarten. in that case, foreigners are teaching is illegal. people without credentials are teaching is illegal. people not employed by the kindergarten are teaching is also illegal.

de facto kindergarten registered as a buxiban is another violation, but in this case, employed foreigners, especially with open work permit/right, are teaching is not much relevant.

if there is just a registered buxiban without a registered kindergarten, employed teachers with work permit/right are not fined, iiuc.

regardless of the school’s status, unregistered people are teaching is illegal.

in any cases, who are confused may be just foreigners. I bet owners of buxiban/kindy/de facto kindy clearly know what they are doing.

This is the Mandarin pronunciation of the alphabet. They usually pronounce it the English way when actually speaking in English.

I live in Tainan. Do they need teachers?

Four hours per day of class time is a full-time job, assuming your time spent on prep, setup, grading, cleanup, meetings, emails, communicating with parents/co-workers/boss is 1:1 with the class time. (And it usually is.)

I couldn’t violate the confidentiality agreement.

They are out there, though.

This one has very little prep time, no homework to speak of, mostly singing and dancing. Oh, he is able to play the guitar so he also writes original songs that he teaches to the kids.

He’s reliable, the kids love him, so the school values him. He’s been there over 6 years. Sounds like a neat gig. I’d do it except that I hate children.

Ain’t none of that crap. It’s a cake walk. Easy money. No emails, no real prep time, no communication with parents, no meetings, no grading. This is a kindergarten. You know, kids that are not old enough to attend elementary school.

The kindergarten and lower elementary homeroom teachers at my school are full-time teachers who are at the school 8 hours a day, but their actual teaching hours are 4 hours a day.

When the kids go to PE (1 hour), they take a short break and prep for the next hour. When the kids go to Chinese (1 hour), they take another short break and prep for the next hour. And then there’s an hour lunch time, 30-minute morning meeting (which they need to prep for the day before), and 30-minute quiet reading/snack time before dismissal.

That’s 4 hours of non-class time.

You really need to do lesson plans, even for kindergarten. You can’t just sing the same songs and recycle the same lessons every day for the whole year.

How is a foreign teacher supposed to give instructions in Chinese? At the beginner level, it’s more important for the teacher to be able to explain things in Chinese than to pronounce the English 100% correctly.

While, quite a while in the past, I’ve had experience working in preschool contexts, I have not done so in quite a while due to the fact that it was, at the time, very clearly illegal (although I only found this out after being lied to by the schools saying that it was perfectly fine).

Currently, I engage in clinical teaching as a volunteer, a form of service at we professors are inclined to engage in. This involves at least one period a week with Kindergarten students. I teach bilingual classes, using songs, experiments, picture book teaching, and other suitable and appropriate activities for preschool children. I have an APRC, and legitimate reasons to be there for my clinical teaching hours. Based on my experiences, I’ve have had several invitations to share in conferences or in public speeches to help demystify the concept of bilingualism in preschool contexts. As a prominent scholar in bilingual education in Taiwan has recently stated, English language acquisition is “加分” and content must always come first! English language assessment must not be part of bilingual programs. Period!

I recall a conversation a few years ago with one of the top administrators of the K-12 Education Administration. He has retired since we first met, but he was very curious as to how, in the context of kindergarten through senior high school, the 108 curriculum guidelines could integrate English language learning. He was very keen to pick my brain, as many administrators like him had no idea how to proceed. In fact, as most of you know, English educational performance indicators and content area standards (and MOE certified textbooks) only begin at third grade. Thus, anything below third grade (elementary school) is not codified or clarified in the curriculum guidelines.

My answer to him was quite simple and in line with what many others have stated, which is that any integration of English must take place in the context that is natural and appropriate for children according developmentally appropriate practices and what we can understand from first language acquisition research.

Having 'taught" students from 3 months (my home country), I can understand what is appropriate for learners and how to differentiate instruction. For those who do not have teaching credentials, experience, or common sense, I do not believe that teaching at the preschool level would be fruitful for either party (apart from $). However, for those who do have an understanding sufficient to provide suitable and appropriate activities that are not “whole English” might find a place of purpose in some, although very rare, forward thinking institutions.

May God save us all from the potential presidency of the idiot 賴er清德. I have yet to meet a politician with his head so far up his ass.

Why did you put an “er” after “Lai”? Are you a Beijing-er? :upside_down_face: