KMT thug legislators invade DPP campaign HQ

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This topic was split from this thread and named by admin, not ac dropout. Just wanted to clear up any confusion. - Maoman :wink:

It would seem Ho Chih-chin was led into the building trying to determine if the in fact Hsieh had rented the building from First Bank. Upon arrivial the DPP refused to let them leave, and thank goodness the kind police officers protected them from those DPP hooligans while extracting them from the building.

DPP are so prone to violence, remember when some red-shirts when to Southern Taiwan. It is so unfortunate that Taiwan has these kind of violent supporters.

At least Minister Ho Chih-chin has the character to resign in a dignified manner and apologize to the public when caught in this unfortunate series of events.

Unlike some DPP presidents that are so thick skinned that they send their wife to courtā€¦I mean to the hospitalā€¦when they are caught in a scandalā€¦

But watching Hsieh scuffle with the cops on TV was classic. Iā€™m sure the Taiwanese public really wants a brawler in office.

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Really stupid of the KMT legislators in question. Why do anything to energize the opposition?

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That was truly bizarre. What could they have possibly been thinking? Thereā€™s simply no way such an action could have benefited the KMT; it just makes them look bad. WTF? There must be more to this than meets the eye.

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Even some Blue supporters are wondering whether these 4 were bought by the DPP. God knows thereā€™s no better gift for Hsiehā€™s failing campaign than this.

At this point, Ma should think hard about making all 4 resign from the Legislative Yuan.

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Ho Chih-chin felt Hsieh was cheating the Finance Ministry, since First Bank is part of the Finance Ministry, by not paying rent for the office space he is currently using to run is campaign.

Well it seems everyone involved on the KMT side is resigning for the incendent. So damage control is already in effect.

I think the whole incident was an attempt to bring out the worst in Frank. Frank the brawler, as his instigates a riot. Frank the cheat, as more allegations of his corruptions comes to light.

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AC, listen to CC. This was extremely poor judgment that only helps the Hsieh campaign. As a China Times op-ed piece asked the other day, are they afraid Ma will get too many votes?

Ma probably should try to force them to resign, but the truth is that he canā€™t. One of Maā€™s problems is going to be controlling the feudal lords (legislators) over in the legislature.

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Well thatā€™s a good thing. I have a bet with a Taiwanese bookie that the spread will be within 16 points. If MYJ wins by 20% I lose money on the whole electionā€¦hmmmā€¦I wonder if those 4 use the same bookie as me? :ponder:

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Hmm, now Iā€™m wondering if this whole DPP HQ thing will be our ā€œbizarre incidentā€ this time around and things will be more or less normal from here on out.

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I donā€™t think it is going to make much difference in the outcome. Itā€™s mainly be used to try to heat up (chaore) a pretty unexcited electorate.

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What AC is forgetting, is that the finance minister didnā€™t actually go there because he wanted, but because all the KMT members are part of the financial committee in the LY, and almost ordered him to do so.
What AC is forgetting, is that legislators, ministers or whoever have no right to enter the premises of someone else without consent or judicial warrant. As Hsieh said, this is nothing but some legislators wanting to go back in the old days of the Taiwan Garrison. In any normal country, those 4 legislators would by now have offered their resignationā€¦ but this is Taiwan, and this is KMTā€™s playground, so they can do whatever they want.

The violence from the DPP supporters was sparkled by the police wanting to remove the legislators from the local, which is kind of like bailing them out. They could leave after a prosecutor did the police job of getting the facts. The police did nothing but going there to clean the legislators dirty work, even allowing one of them to escape the placeā€¦

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If Hsieh wasnā€™t paying rent, then they would have every right to enter the premises to collect rent.

I donā€™t think the DPP or their supporters had any right to become violent over rent issues.

Hsieh stated they became violent because they thought their ā€œhigh level strategiesā€ for the presidential campaign were compromised. I think thatā€™s a load of bull. Would anyone get violent over chess strategies during a tournament?

I do think Hsieh finiances are running short and heā€™d better do good on paying his rent.

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You do kind of have to wonder why the DPP kicked up such a fuss if they truly had nothing to hide. :whistle:

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Mer would be what you call = Hardcore Pan blue ?

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nobody was violent over rent issues or because they had something to hideā€¦

BREAKING AND ENTERING IS ILLEGAL IN TAIWAN, even for legislators. The DPP people was calmly waiting for the police to arrive and take care of the occurrence, and when the police arrived, they didnā€™t care much about the illegality of the act, but on how to save the legislators from it. Then, the DPP people, rightfully, stopped the police from running away until a prosecutor came and did what the police should have done in the first place. If you guys are not alarmed with legislators taking the law in their hands, then you must be bloody happy that we are returning to the old KMT waysā€¦ talking about the new KMT blah blah blah, and there you goā€¦ If Ma is elected, it is one step closer to the dictatorship againā€¦ and then, most probably, for Taiwan to be a SAR, without elected people (then the KMT can continue to rule the province for the next 100 years, at least).

[quote]
KMT suspends lawmakers for intrusion into Hsiehā€™s office

By Staff Writer
Taiwan News
2008-03-14 03:16 PM
The opposition Kuomintang Friday suspended the four lawmakers for a year to punish their Wednesday intrusion into the campaign office of ruling party presidential candidate Frank Hsieh and clashed with Hsiehā€™s supporters.

KMT lawmaker Alex Fei, who spearheaded the intrusion, quit the party later in the day to prevent his misconduct from hurting KMT standard-bearer Ma Ying-jeouā€™s campaign. Fei told a news conference he would end his life if Ma failed to win the presidency on March 22.

Hours earlier Ma made another apology to the Hsieh campaign and the public on behalf of the four lawmakers and his party as a whole, saying his colleagues mixed up their role and that of law enforcement officers.

On Wednesday, Fei and three colleagues Chen Chieh, Lo Ming-tsai, and Lo Shui-lei ā€“ all on the Legislatureā€™s Finance Committee ā€“ barged into Hsiehā€™s campaign office in a building owned by First Bank. The four suspected the government-controlled bank let Hsieh use the office rent-free.

The visit turned violent as angry Hsieh supporters besieged the four and clashed with police who tried to maintain law and order. Though the four lawmakers admitted to their mistake, the Hsieh campaign remained unconvinced.

Ma vowed to rein his party members and warned they would become the object of reform if they fail to watch out for their own conduct.

The KMT, seeking to calm the public outcry, suspended the fourā€™s membership rights for a year, party spokesman Huang Yu-chen said. [/quote]

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I would support that, even though it will not happen if Ma wins.

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mr_boogie,

The DPP are not above the law. They cannot say owners of the building cannot investigate if rent has been paid. They cannot say to the police not to resolve any civil conflict in a peaceful manner.

The KMT has already admitted their responsibility in the matter. It is too bad the DPP donā€™t make their motivation to violence more transparent.

ROC doesnā€™t need more corrupt thugs in office.

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Well, looks like Ma gets part of his wish. Fei is resigning from the KMT entirely, and says he will ā€œresign from lifeā€ if Ma loses the presidential elections. I still think the better conclusion is for all 4 to resign from the legislature, and for new elections to be held in their district.

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Ai yoā€¦ :unamused:
Iā€™m a casual observer. Please donā€™t jump to conclusions or make knee-jerk reaction assumptions about my political leanings. Thanking you in advance.

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[quote=ā€œac_dropoutā€]

The DPP are not above the law. They cannot say owners of the building cannot investigate if rent has been paid. They cannot say to the police not to resolve any civil conflict in a peaceful manner.
.[/quote]

Investigate is one thing, braking and entering is another. No landlord can enter a place he rents without consent. And the police tried to resolve it in a peaceful manner by letting a legislator flee the scene, didnā€™t they? Of course, if they had did what they were supposed to do (and that was what the populace wanted) then nothing of that would have happened, as shown when a prosecutor came to take the complaint. If the police is only there to protect the culprits, why do we need police???

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If youā€™re not paying rent, the landlord has every right enter the premises. For commercial property there is very little protection for tenants once you break the lease.

Especially if it is not a primary residency or a primary place to generate income, most judgesā€™ side with the landlord in these rent disputes.

The police are there, first and foremost, to ensure that a peaceful resolution to any civil conflict can occur. In fact they are allowed to suspend your civil rights to ensure a peaceful resolution can occur. When properly trained they are the first buffer between citizens engaged in fist fights.

They are there to keep the peace and up hold civil law. They are not judges or prosecutors. So even if the DPP side claims crimes has been committed, but are engaging in assault and battery. The copā€™s responsibility is to separate the parties. Even criminals are entitled to police protection from a mob.

Cops are trained when conflict arises to take the identification of all individuals involved, separate the individuals and allow them to contact each other in more peaceful manner. Like an attorney.

To be quite honest every moderate I know who has read this news, sides more or less with the KMT on this matter. They feel the DPP side is over exaggerating their claims and just making a mountain out of a mole hill.