Does anyone know a good lawyer in Taipei? The husband of the woman who I slept (by accident) with wants some kind of “apology” money. This wouldn’t have been a problem, but when he found out that I had also slept with his daughter (didn’t know they were mother/daughter) he now wants to kill me, literally. I can’t leave my house, don’t want to call the police about it, but I don’t know any lawyers to call. I don’t speak Chinese, so a lawyer who speaks English would be very helpful. Thanks. G.
Please please tell me you’rea script writer for the Bold and the Beautiful!!!
The guy wants money coz you slept with his wife??? Tell me it’s a joke. Please.
[quote=“divea”]Please please tell me you’rea script writer for the Bold and the Beautiful!!!
The guy wants money because you slept with his wife??? Tell me it’s a joke. Please.[/quote]
Are you nuts? I’m dead serious. Something is really wrong with that family. I had no clue, by the way, that they were related. Apparently, my colleague told me it’s a Taiwanese custom. By custom, I don’t know husbands ask for money when something like this happens, but there’s like a name for it. So, do you know someone, or not?
Well, Welcome to Forumosa.com.
Try posting in the legal section. And yeah I am nuts, kind of went nuts reading that. Imagine all those men who could get rich, coz their wives slept with someone. It’s insensitive for me to say that to you, but I have friends who’ve been cheated upon and I wonder if they knew such a custom existed, it wouldn’t ease their pain, but would make them wealthier at least!
[quote=“sandman”] Imagine if he also had a dog![/quote]:lol:
Infidelity is punishable by law in Taiwan but I’m not sure if you are liable. I know the wife is. Anyways, he probably wants your money to hire thugs with it. Look at it as an investment…
You don’t need a lawyer for your situation. You simply need to sit down and negotiate with this man like the true businessman you are. Negotiations with him shouldn’t be any different than the initial negotiations you have undertaken with him in payment for sleeping with his wife already. He’s not really mad at you and has no intention of hurting you in any way. This is just a Chinese ploy to try to get more money out of you. Be strong and don’t let him take you for a ride! His anger is only just an act to show you that it’s now going to cost you more for bedding two girls out of his stable instead of one. You see, he figured you had only slept with his wife, so he was making calculations based on only her. Now, it comes to light that you actually had two of his ladies, but was trying to get away with only paying for one! This is where his faux anger enters. He needs to make you believe that he’s truly pissed off with you in order for you to cough up some more dough. He might even threaten to involve the police in charging you with adultery where a conviction would result in fines, a one year prison sentence, and deportation. But, he’s not going to do that because he wouldn’t get any financial benefit from that. They’re all just empy threats with no teeth. So, worry not. Sit down with him at the negotiation table, preferably with a bottle of Johnnie Walker black label, and hash out how much he is demanding versus how much you are willing to pay and try to find an acceptable middle figure for payment. Don’t be a sucker! Don’t let “Pimp Daddy” take you for a ride. He knows the true value of his ladies and by playing hardball with him you can show him that you’re no fool, either. Be strong and tough. Hard nosed business tactics!!!
So, what is your total cost for both the mother and daughter up to this point? How much extra scratch do you think that you are going to have to come up with in order to pay off “Pimp Daddy” for both his wife and daughter? Could you possibly get a discount? I would ask. You know…like a two-fer. Don’t forget to tell him that both his wife and daughter’s sexual techniques were average at best and therefore shouldn’t command the highest prices. Be specific regarding which techniques were lacking. I would use the old, “She ran her teeth along my shaft during felatio, definitely a party foul!” You could also tell “Pimp Daddy” that you only spoke English during sexual congress so therefore some of the time spent with his ladies should be less due to the included English lessons. Your lack of Chinese proficiency should be enough to prove this point to him. Explain to him that the more English his ladies know, the more money they can command for handsome and stylish men in the future. Have him think of it as an improvement, you know,like capital improvements to a business because that’s what his wife and daughter are to him, business.
Well, that’s all I can think of right now. If I come up with any more good ideas, I’ll be sure to float them past you. I’m not a businessman so I don’t have any real life experience in the world business arena like you, but I’m always looking at expanding my horizons. As for you, it’s clear that you do have the world on a string and although things look a bit bleak for you at the moment, I wish to encourage you to step up to the plate and hit a homerun when dealing with this situation.
I’ve quoted some of your wisdom from other threads below in order to give you some inspiration and also a confidence boost as you enter negotiations! Go get 'em Tiger!
[quote=“davaronio in Insecurity Issues with Locals, how about Euros? thread on Tue, 17 May 2011”]
Hey, I only recently moved to Taiwan and live in Taipei, but I’m slightly older than you so we wouldn’t run in the same crowd, but I think what’s worked for me should work for you. First, I subscribe to an equal opportunity policy - i date all races, maybe some more than others. But, I haven’t yet really had a real relationship with a Taiwanese girl. So, I can’t give you any real advice on meeting and dating Taiwanese girls, specifically. But, here are some options you might think about in terms of meeting girls and having a relationship that’s outside of work/job. Buddy up with an Asia guy who’s outgoing and seems to have a solid network. Start hosting bbq or togethers at your place or in a local park (baseball games etc). Make it a weekly thing, and have these guys to invite their girlfriends and their friends. Once these events reach a certain critical mass, around Wednesdays or Thursdays, when you meet a girl in a club or bookstore, after you’ve hit it off with her, tell her about this weekly get together you have. Make sure that by that point, there are some girls who already go on a semi-regular basis. Invite her. Here is the key to addressing your issue: Always make sure you invite at least 2 to 3 girls you meet every week. If you feel a vibe with all of these 3 girls, one or two of them will end up having to “fight” for you a little - girls who have insecurity issues are naturally eliminated through that process. I don’t like girls who are insecure either. Keep doing this every week, girls who you don’t end up with may keep coming back because it is fun, and she will invite her girlfriends, etc. [/quote]Or perhaps the girls will end up inviting their mothers which could turn into double pleasure as in your case!
[quote=“davaronio in Taipei vs Shanghai? thread on Wed, 18 May 2011”]
Not familiar with Shanghai yet. If i can’t please my partners, I may have to do more time in Asia - go to shanghai or tokyo (fingers crossed i don’t get that unlucky twice). To be frank, 3K USD a month will get you not much more than hopping around bars, eating out at nice restaurant on weekends, dating a girl here and there, and having a good time with some poor expats who are here to teach. If you’re in town for business like i am, there are lots of ways to use and abuse your budget. One of my younger guys at work (from the US) allocated 100% of his bonus to “fun”. Between him and a couple of other guys, they’re renting a multi-level apartment. Chicks love it. I recommend it. To live it up like a true bachelor, you need to drop somewhere around 5K at least if your goal is to live like a porn star without going over the top. Getting ass is really easy in Taiwan - all you have to do is to throw a kick-ass party, many times, and someone will always stick around to go home with you. But, you can’t be ugly. If you’re ugly, you’ve got to be suave and shit. For that, maybe one of the guys in the forum can help you with that, how to be a nice guy etc. If you got looks, you can drop it down to around 4K USD but you gotta have style. I would NEVER suggest anyone to cab or use public transportation - quality girls (by quality, i’m not talking ivy leaguers or the intellectual type, unless that’s what you’re looking for… then, don’t read this post) can smell your true net worth pretty quickly. It doesn’t seem like your goal is to stick around long. Mine isn’t either. So, nothing you say needs to be true, but everything you do needs to have style. Your apartment will be a rental so should your dating life - rent them, don’t buy them. One of my coworkers got two girls pregnant and i can tell you that it’s nothing you want to deal with especially in a backwards society like Taiwan. The more expensive your rentals are (not talking about apartments or cars here), the more expensive ones want you.[/quote]
You must either be incredibly handsome or have style or both to have been able to seal the deal with BOTH mother and daughter! You sir, are a legend! I have printed out this previous advice you have given here on Forumosa and I’ll be working on improving my image and techniques for picking up the ladies. By the way, would you mind sharing the location where you bagged these two babes? I want to go on a little field trip and see where the real life in Taiwan is!
Thanks. 
To the Original Poster, I kind of have to agree with the general thrust of the posts on the second page: a lawyer - English-speaking or not - is not going to be able to help you. You should just leave. If you choose to stay in Taiwan, at least move out of the place you’re living in now.
To the OP:
I’d say that, if the facts are as you say they are, there are three likely possibilities:
a) The father is sincerely pissed and he is going to get you hurt, no matter what.
b) The father is sincerely pissed but he’ll let you off if you pay.
c) The family set this whole thing up as a con.
The only way you can win is if you know what really happened, but you can’t.
So why not leave for a while? Tell the guy you’re leaving the country and do so, then sneak back in quietly a few months later, with a goatee and a hat. Go for a nice vacation. It’s safer, because possibility a) is not very nice.
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The apology money you are talking about is called, 遮羞費 (Zhēxiū fèi). But, you know what? If he’s serious about demanding 遮羞費, it’s very possible that this is a scam. I can’t find any references right now, but there have been news stories in Taiwan about Taiwanese husband and wife teams who go out to clubs and try to get the wife to have sex with an unwitting man and while they are in action the “angry” husband barges in and threatens a lawsuit for adultery and blackmails the accused man into paying 遮羞費 in order to keep it quiet and avoid prosecution. There’s even been cases where the man and woman pulling the scam weren’t even husband and wife. Did you get caught like this? Did the husband barge in on you with a camera whilst snapping pictures?
But, even if it is a scam, my original advice still stands. Negotiate with the man and just use a bit of next month’s “porn star / bachelor money” to get a fair price for both ladies. Who knows, you might be able to set up a deal for the remaining time you’re in Taiwan to have them at your beck and call whenever you want them. Negotiate and pay the husband directly and you shouldn’t have any further problems. Never pay the whores any money, only the pimps.
The apology money you are talking about is called, 遮羞費 (Zhēxiū fèi). But, you know what? If he’s serious about demanding 遮羞費, it’s very possible that this is a scam. I can’t find any references right now, but there have been news stories in Taiwan about Taiwanese husband and wife teams who go out to clubs and try to get the wife to sleep with an unwitting foreigner and while they are in action the “angry” husband barges in and threatens a lawsuit for adultery and blackmails the foreigner into paying 遮羞費 in order to keep it quiet and avoid prosecution. There’s even been cases where the man and woman pulling the scam weren’t even husband and wife. Did you get caught like this? Husband barge in on you with a camera snapping pictures?
But, even if it is a scam, my original advice still stands. Negotiate with the man and just use a bit of next month’s “porn star / bachelor money” to get a fair price for both ladies. Who knows, you might be able to set up a deal for the remaining time you’re in Taiwan to have them at your beck and call whenever you want them. Negotiate and pay the husband directly and you shouldn’t have any further problems. Never pay the whores any money, only the pimps. [/quote]
And what if the man is truly angry and wants revenge for having been dishonored? You may feel that it’s not the case, but it’s the OP’s ass on the line, not yours, and talk is cheap, especially on the Internet. Anyone who has his life threatened should take it seriously.
Boys, I’m writing this post from Thailand and working remotely, for now. The girl I was seeing is hooked into my network, and I don’t trust her; I don’t know if she’s going to tell her dad when I get back.
Yeah, I decided against hiring a lawyer. If the situation blew up, it could seriously ruin me at work. Not that I don’t already have a reputation at work, but I don’t need to give the partners another reason to fire me and get deported. I could get blacklisted in my industry.
Northcoast Sufer: the real location is at one of the newest hotels in the Xinyi District. In my opinion, looking handsome is usually not a requirement for bagging chicks. Style, however, is key. There are two types of good looking guys, those who rely on their good looks but don’t know a thing about chatting a lady up; and those who know they’ve got the looks but capitalize on their asset and work their style. There are plenty of good looking guys who go home alone after a night at the bar. The tips I gave are tried and true. There are three dimensions that girls measure a man by, IMO: appearance, style, and money. If you aren’t with a girl, then you probably lack at least two of the three. If you have at least two of the three, then you’re banging someone. End of story.