Let's talk about Trump

Trump and Hillary(ious) . Don’t like Trump at all (Trump is out for Trump) and don’t like Hillary that much either. She’s looking out for number one herself. Americans don’t have good people that want to be President it seems. Almost want to just keep Obama on for a 3rd term.

Didn’t vote for him both times, but think he’s not doing a bad job. In spite of all the hatred directed at him from so many quarters. Secret Muslim out to destroy America, etc.

“Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart—you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you’re a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners—now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.”

Trump is giving Palin a run for her money.

Obama was a disaster. Hillary is a criminal. Trump is a maniacal fatcat. Bernie is a Soviet sleeper agent.

I don’t envy Americans.

Then again this year I had my pick of corporatist lawyers who hate Australia and Australians to vote for, so I guess my country’s fucked too.

Looks like Republican candidates in close races are starting to duck for cover

And in other Trump-related news


Well, there was foul play. The DNC collaborated with Hillary against Bernie Sanders, then the collaborator resigned and joined Hillary’s campaign. This was what the recent WikiLeaks leak was about. But I doubt there’s noise machines or something.

Latest from Trump on Hannity- okay, it’s from Trump, it’s on Hanity, and it’s about Trump donating to charity and helping US veterans, so you already know the whole thing is a lie.
Hannity claimed, and the Trump campaign ‘confirmed’ that in 1991 Trump sent his private plane to ferry some wounded veterans from the Gulf War back home. Again, this is the story officially confirmed by the Trump campaign.

What actually happened is that when Trump bought Eastern Shuttle and turned it into Trump Air, he bought four extra planes that he didn’t actually need- so he leased them to the US Army, at full commercial rates, and the Army used them, among other things, to fly wounded soldiers back.

This is what Trump is claiming as his hyuuuge act of charity. Nothing special- another day, another petty sleazy lie.

He made tremendous sacrifices, all his life…

I am interested in the influences Hillary and Trump will have on the exchange rate if elected. What is your estimate?

One thing I am quite sure is both of them will exert significant pressure on the Asian countries which have policies and incentives to weaken their currencies.

My estimate is, as for TWD, either of them will try to deter the policies to lower the TWD. But all the south east countries, Taiwan, Korea and Japan want their currencies weaker. And also if Trump elected, there might occur some trade frictions, especially when Trump elected.

Trump will make the US economy stronger temporarily through protecting domestic industries, but not sure how capable his administration will be in the long term.

“: You know how they get out? They get out. That’s how they get out. Declare victory and leave. Because I’ll tell you, this country is just going to get further bogged down. They’re in a civil war over there, Wolf. There’s nothing we’re going to be able to do with a civil war. They are in a major civil war.”
-Donald Trump,CNN, 2007-
after the Surge, but before Dubya signed the agreement that the U.S. would pull out all combat troops by Dec 31, 2011.

Any more wonder why the only plank in the Republican platform that Trump’s team was anxious to change was the one saying America backed Ukraine?

Handwritten ledgers show $12.7 million in undisclosed cash payments designated for Mr. Manafor t [Trump’s campaign manager] from Mr. Yanukovych’s pro-Russian political party from 2007 to 2012, according to Ukraine’s newly formed National Anti-Corruption Bureau. Investigators assert that the disbursements were part of an illegal off-the-books system whose recipients also included election officials.

In addition, criminal prosecutors are investigating a group of offshore shell companies that helped members of Mr. Yanukovych’s inner circle finance their lavish lifestyles, including a palatial presidential residence with a private zoo, golf course and tennis court. Among the hundreds of murky transactions these companies engaged in was an $18 million deal to sell Ukrainian cable television assets to a partnership put together by Mr. Manafort and a Russian oligarch, Oleg Deripaska, a close ally of President Vladimir V. Putin

Though I shouldn’t say that’s the only reason. Since no American bank will give him a loan because he’s too crooked, the tax returns he refuses to let the public see probably show how deeply in debt he is to the Russian mob and how much he’s under Putin’s thumb.

Trump should release his tax returns, but only after Hillary releases 1) a list of her foreign donors, 2) a medical report.

I never thought Trump wanted really to become president, so this makes perfect sense to me:

(Huff Post)

"Donald Trump never actually wanted to be president of the United States. I know this for a fact. I’m not going to say how I know it. I’m not saying that Trump and I shared the same agent or lawyer or stylist or, if we did, that that would have anything to do with anything. And I’m certainly not saying that I ever overheard anything at those agencies or in the hallways of NBC or anywhere else. But there are certain people reading this right now, they know who they are, and they know that every word in the following paragraphs actually happened.

Trump was unhappy with his deal as host and star of his hit NBC show, “The Apprentice” (and “The Celebrity Apprentice”). Simply put, he wanted more money. He had floated the idea before of possibly running for president in the hopes that the attention from that would make his negotiating position stronger. But he knew, as the self-proclaimed king of the dealmakers, that saying you’re going to do something is bupkus — DOING it is what makes the bastards sit up and pay attention.

Trump had begun talking to other networks about moving his show. This was another way to get leverage — the fear of losing him to someone else — and when he “quietly” met with the head of one of those networks, and word got around, his hand was strengthened. He knew then that it was time to play his Big Card.

He decided to run for president.

Of course he wouldn’t really have to RUN for president — just make the announcement, hold a few mega-rallies that would be packed with tens of thousands of fans, and wait for the first opinion polls to come in showing him — what else! — in first place! And then he would get whatever deal he wanted, worth millions more than what he was currently being paid.

So, on June 16 of last year, he rode down his golden escalator and opened his mouth. With no campaign staff, no 50-state campaign infrastructure — neither of which he needed because, remember, this wasn’t going to be a real campaign — and with no prepared script, he went off the rails at his kick-off press conference, calling Mexicans “rapists” and “drug dealers” and pledging to build a wall to keep them all out. Jaws in the room were agape. His comments were so offensive, NBC, far from offering him a bigger paycheck, immediately fired him with this terse statement: “Due to the recent derogatory statements by Donald Trump regarding immigrants, NBCUniversal is ending its business relationship with Mr. Trump.” NBC said it was also canceling the beauty pageants owned by Trump: Miss USA and Miss Universe. BOOM.

Trump was stunned. So much for the art of the deal. He never expected this, but he stuck to his plan anyway to increase his “value” in the eyes of the other networks by showing them how many millions of Americans wanted Him to be their Leader. He knew, of course (and the people he trusted also told him) that there was no way he was actually going to win many (if any) of the primaries, and he certainly would not become the Republican nominee, and NEVER would he EVER be the President of the United States. Of course not! Nor would he want to be! The job of being President is WORK and BORING and you have to live in the GHETTO of Washington, DC, in a SMALL 200-year old house that’s damp and dreary and has only TWO floors! A “second floor” is not a penthouse! But none of this was a worry, as “Trump for President” was only a ruse that was going to last a few months.

And then something happened. And to be honest, if it happened to you, you might have reacted the same way. Trump, to his own surprise, ignited the country, especially among people who were the opposite of billionaires. He went straight to #1 in the polls of Republican voters. Up to 30,000 boisterous supporters started showing up to his rallies. TV ate it up. He became the first American celebrity to be able to book himself on any show he wanted to be on — and then NOT show up to the studio! From “Face the Nation” to “The Today Show” to Anderson Cooper, he was able to simply phone in and they’d put him on the air live. He could’ve been sitting on his golden toilet in Trump Tower for all we knew — and the media had no problem with any of that. In fact, CBS head Les Moonves famously admitted that Trump was very good for TV ratings and selling ads — music to the ears the NBC-spurned narcissist.

Trump fell in love with himself all over again, and he soon forgot his mission to get a good deal for a TV show. A TV show? Are you kldding — that’s for losers like Chris Harrison, whoever that is (host of “The Bachelorette”). He was no longer king of the dealmakers — he was King of the World! His tiniest musings would be discussed and dissected everywhere by everybody for days, weeks, months! THAT never happened on “The Apprentice”! Host a TV show? He was the star of EVERY TV SHOW — and, soon, winning nearly every primary!

And then… you can see the moment it finally dawned on him… that “Oh shit!” revelation: “I’m actually going to be the Republican nominee — and my rich beautiful life is f#*@ing over!” It was the night he won the New Jersey primary. The headline on TIME.com was, “Donald Trump’s Subdued Victory Speech After Winning New Jersey.” Instead of it being one of his loud, brash speeches, it was downright depressing. No energy, no happiness, just the realization that now he was going to have to go through with this stunt that he started. It was no longer going to be performance art. He was going to have to go to work.

Soon, though, his karma caught up with him. Calling Mexicans “rapists” should have disqualified him on Day One (or for saying Obama wasn’t born here, as he did in 2011). No, it took 13 months of racist, sexist, stupid comments before he finally undid himself with the trifecta of attacking the family of a slain soldier, ridiculing the Purple Heart and suggesting that the pro-gun crowd assassinate Hillary Clinton. By this past weekend, the look on his face said it all — “I hate this! I want my show back!” But it was too late. He was damaged goods, his brand beyond repair, a worldwide laughing stock — and worse, a soon-to-be loser.

But, let me throw out another theory, one that assumes that Trump isn’t as dumb or crazy as he looks. Maybe the meltdown of the past three weeks was no accident. Maybe it’s all part of his new strategy to get the hell out of a race he never intended to see through to its end anyway. Because, unless he is just “crazy,” the only explanation for the unusual ramping up, day after day, of one disgustingly reckless statement after another is that he’s doing it consciously (or subconsciously) so that he’ll have to bow out or blame “others” for forcing him out. Many now are sensing the end game here because they know Trump seriously doesn’t want to do the actual job — and, most importantly, he cannot and WILL NOT suffer through being officially and legally declared a loser — LOSER! — on the night of November 8th.

Trust me, I’ve met the guy. Spent an afternoon with him. He would rather invite the Clintons AND the Obamas to his next wedding than have that scarlet letter (“L”) branded on his forehead seconds after the last polls have closed on that night, the evening of the final episode of the permanently cancelled Donald Trump Shit-Show."

I’m not feeling it :slight_smile:

Hillary has already listed all the donations to the Clinton Foundation; if you’re talking about the b.s.right-wing reports how about a deal?

Trump releases his tax reports; all donations he has received; health reports from an independent doctor- and Hillary does the same.

Now we all know Hell will freeze over before Pootie’s Poodle reveals how much he is in hock to the Russian mafia, so there’s not much for Clinton to reveal here,

Not sure if i posted this here before but the Clinton Foundations dealings are far lass transparent it would seem than you might imagine.

The foundation so it seems was never granted permission to raise money for anything other than a Clinton library. All those other donations it appears are illegal.

The foundation, or any charity should have independent audit every year, it seems the Clinton Foundation has never been audited.

There are so many vulnerable areas to attack Hillary right now it almost seems unfair. But regarding the Foundation, this is a good listen.


Looks like Trump is going to continue being Trump.

What an epic fuckup this whole thing really is for the Republicans. He’s not even trying.

If anything, he’s trying too hard. Two major policies speaches in two days, the last one an attempt to reach out to African Americans was received well by Republicans. DONALD J. TRUMP REMARKS ON CREATING A NEW AND BETTER FUTURE FOR AMERICA’S INNER CITIES

Trump is doing 2 rallies a day, 6 days a week in front of crowds up to 20k, while Clinton just pops her head out 3 times a week and usually for just one rally in front of a couple of hundred folks. Maybe she doesn’t even need to try, everyone else seems to do all her work for her and even if Trump wasn’t making any slips, the MSM would just make up some news and shove Mics in everyones faces. Exhausted” Hillary Clinton Taking Long Weekends Off

If he was just making policy speeches and not “just being Trump”, he wouldn’t be in this pickle. Being elected president is more complicated than appealing to his core group at rallies. There are a wide range of constituencies that will factor into the decision. If he can’t rally a wide range of people behind him, he can’t win. If he can’t avoid making various offensive comments, people won’t get behind him. A lot of people don’t want to be led by a buffoon. And they shouldn’t. If he can’t even avoid causing offense in the rarified air of a domestic election, when that’s obviously in his best interests, what’s going to happen when he has to participate in international politics? What does it say about his judgement when critical decisions might be needed? That’s my take on it anyway. I don’t know, maybe Trump is really some kind of political genius and knows better than all the Republican policy advisors. We’ll see in November.

Trump’s missteps are news because it’s important. As for Clinton, she’s a politician. She’s going to stay out of the way until she has to. I like that about Trump personally. But he blew the obvious opportunity to play this thing with more finesse, and he did it largely on his own. Maybe he’s just incapable of it, because that’s who he is. But there’s actually more at stake than just the presidential election.