Let's talk about Trump

I don’t think think the United States existed before the cliff dwellings were abandoned.

Their spirits will be rather confused.

:bowing:

That’s high praise.

By MADELEINE K. ALBRIGHT and STEPHEN HADLEY

It is no secret that both Presidents Barack Obama and Trump have wanted to reduce American engagement in the Middle East. If the UAE and Bahrain initiatives lead to the kind of evolution we envision, they would not only advance the prospects for peace and prosperity in the region but also could begin a strategic shift in which the countries in the region take more responsibility for defining its future. This is to be encouraged, but success will continue to require American participation and support. The next administration, whether under Trump or Joe Biden, will need to stay engaged, primarily with tools of diplomacy and development, if it is to help the region realize the potential we see for it.

It is not surprising that Palestinian leaders and citizens are unhappy with the UAE-Israel agreement. It went against the prevailing assumption that there would be no further Arab recognition of Israel until the Palestinians had a state. While arguably reducing Palestinian leverage, such agreements also provide Arab political support for the Palestinians to make peace with Israel. Palestinian officials would be wise to reengage Israel, return to negotiations, put forward their own — realistic — proposal for peace and concentrate on building honest, effective and responsive institutions that will be critical to the future of an independent state.

Other Arab countries can help advance prospects for such a state in how they make their own peace with Israel. They can condition their recognition not only on “no annexation” of the West Bank but also by asking Israel to reaffirm its commitment to the two-state solution, restrict settlement activity to areas likely to become part of Israel in any final peace agreement, avoid further militarization of the Jordan Valley and give the Palestinian Authority greater freedom to develop areas expected to be part of a Palestinian state. The UAE and other Arab governments can design their economic engagement with Israel to ensure that the resulting private sector-led prosperity includes the Palestinians as well.

We understand that many Americans remain pessimistic. But these actions, should they come to pass, would offer a much-needed platform for progress toward a more peaceful and prosperous Middle East.

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that’s nothing but a joke

Sour grapes much?

America’s moral blind spot was the size of the West Bank and Gaza. Now it’s grown to include the UAE and Bahrain. That should be large enough to ensure that those five million human beings trapped inside awaiting an emancipation which never comes should vanish from view forever.

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there is something seriously wrong with you

You must be one of those war monger types… :thinking:

you couldn’t be more wrong.

So all the fuss about Tik Tok was just Donald putting the squeeze on for a few cronies. Now they’re allowed to wet their beaks a little, the whole broohaha about security has been dropped. A 20% share jointly held by Oracle and Walmart guarantees China will not interfere!

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Think of the children:

Trolling for the sanctity of human life.

Blah blah blah. The Palestinians have had so many chances for peace and pissed them all away for their corrupt “leadership.”

I’m glad they cut them out of this deal.

Nobody cares about the Palestinians. No one ever did. Now they can all quit pretending.

I think a lot of people care about them.

I have no problem with people celebrating Trump’s deal in the Middle East if they feel it is good for the world or meaningful in some way. But I don’t understand the mean spirited tone towards an entire group of 5 million Palestinians-- jammed into not enough land with not enough resources or infrastructure in impoverished conditions.

I can’t wave that sort of thing away dismissively or feel happy their citizens were further marginalized, even if I don’t agree with their leadership.

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A discussion of Trump’s fascist intent:

Well that explains a lot, wouldn’t want to play the drinking game with every time he pushes the narrative of “fascist”.

But that has consequences, like burning down peoples garages and cars and spray painting Biden 2020 and BLM on peoples houses. see here I wonder if that’s ok with @mups since he is down with taking action against Trump supporters.

Or pushing the narrative police are the bad guys and not reporting facts honestly (once again) with regards Breonna Taylor , which has led to the inevitable shooting of two cops tonight. CNN and MSNBC will be pleased with themselves. see here

I’m down with taking legal action, totally. What you’re talking about is illegal. Hmm, any reason you’re trying to project that onto me?

I have an acronym I like to use - NEAT. Never Employ A Trumpist.

Glad I got in early on that one.

Just trying to discern where you draw the line, but thanks, burning down peoples property for having a Trump sign in their garden is over the line for you.

But you can see why they get so worked up over it, in your clip the presenter pushes the “fascist’” narrative about 20 times in less than a minute.

If I actually thought “fascists’” were in my neighborhood, perhaps I might think more drastic action needed to be taken.

Irresponsible journalism, as usual, on this as well as the coverage related to Breonna Taylor, but it’s too be expected from these types of “journalists” inflaming tensions.

Why? I’ve never indicated otherwise. Try to control yourself.

Do you see any fascist tendencies in Trump’s leadership? Some do, other’s don’t. Where do you stand on this?