Llary's experience

Am I the only one who’s had the reverse experience in Taiwan? I came with the intention of settling down for a very long time and sleeping around seems neither sensible nor attractive. The more dates I go on the more depressed I get about my chances of settling down with a relatively normal woman out here. (And no, I haven’t been sampling the merchandise before purchase). The last date I went on she sat there reading a magazine while I was trying to get a conversation going. I know I’m boring sometimes but come on, that’s enough to give any guy a complex! In the end I just got up, left and haven’t bothered going on any more dates since.

I’ve also met some very savvy Taiwanese girls who have quite obviously set out to take me for as much of my money/time/whatever else as possible. I don’t know if desperate Taiwanese guys fall for that shit but bitches you be trippin’. As I write some girl who thinks she’s hot as a steam iron is on the phone trying to persuade me to do her gardening or something.

Unfortunately for us single guys with a long-term plan, the majority of girls in Taiwan are Taiwanese (d’oh) and a good chunk of those are, as you say, ‘girly girls’. I don’t have an Asian Fetish and I think I’d be more compatible in the long run with someone from a similar cultural background but ruling out anyone except Western girls seems to be a recipe for early purchase of curmudgeons’ slippers. Most of the single Western girls in Taiwan are either way outside my age range or planning to leave in x months or both. I know some amazing American/Taiwanese girls but they live in America. Whoops.

I do have some great Taiwanese female friends but they’re all married with kids, and I ain’t having kids with someone just to work out if they’ll suddenly turn out okay after the joys of motherhood.

All these foreign guys seem to be telling stories about all the sweet, sweet lovin’ they’re getting but my love/sex life has taken a definite turn for the worse in Taiwan. I just have no idea where Taiwanese girls are coming from half the time and end up walking around with an ‘eh?’ look on my face.

Sweet cuppin’ cakes jesus is there anyone normal out there?!

[quote=“tash”]But, now I really feel the need to say this: This story is getting so old, guys. What do you want to achieve by posting this way about Taiwanese girls? Are you really looking for advice or are you just ranting?

If you’re looking for advice then I don’t get it. It’s so simple: stop dating immature girls, stop dating girls/women you can’t communicate properly with, stop dating Taiwanese if you only want them to look Taiwanese but you really want them to behave Western.

If you’re just ranting, then please refrain from generalizing, it’s starting to sound less funny and more and more insulting. “Taiwanese girls acting like children during a breakup” for a title? This really pisses me off, you know.

And one more thing: I used to think that Western guys who date girly girls here (or anywhere) are doing it because that’s exactly what they want to be doing, but now I’m starting to think that there are a lot of really stupid guys out there.

Let me start a thread: “Western men acting like idiots before, during and after relationships with Taiwanese”

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Why you quotin me there, llary? :frowning:

Doesn’t matter… it’s very brave of you to say all that. I don’t know you well, we’ve only met once (girls, I have pics if anyone’s interested. PM me :slight_smile:) but if you’re real in your posts, then you are really the type of guy women think of when they say “I wish there were more guys like that around” or “guys like that are always taken”.
I’m serious. I don’t know why these things are happening to you, but it’s ironic. Most women I know (both Taiwanese and foreign) would be nothing like that on a date. Where do you live again? Not in Taipei, I remember that.

[quote=“tash”]Why you quotin me there, llary? :frowning:

Doesn’t matter… it’s very brave of you to say all that. I don’t know you well, we’ve only met once (girls, I have pics if anyone’s interested. PM me :slight_smile:) but if you’re real in your posts, then you are really the type of guy women think of when they say “I wish there were more guys like that around” or “guys like that are always taken”.
I’m serious. I don’t know why these things are happening to you, but it’s ironic. Most women I know (both Taiwanese and foreign) would be nothing like that on a date. Where do you live again? Not in Taipei, I remember that.[/quote]

Why don’t girls give him any time? Simple, he’s boring. Girls like assholes. The bigger an asshole I am, the more sweet sweet loving I get. Thats screwey female psychology - don’t blame me.

For more, read the ladder theory. intellectualwhores.com/masterladder.html

[quote=“Cerberus”]Why don’t girls give him any time? Simple, he’s boring. Girls like assholes. The bigger an asshole I am, the more sweet sweet loving I get. Thats screwey female psychology - don’t blame me.
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OK. I think I get it now. I used to be into assholes and playas when I was younger. Because I was like them myself and because I was stupid.
I’ve been through all kinds of things and now I finally know what kind of a man I want.
So it must be the age thing then. Which means a guy like llary will have to wait a bit till girls his age become women and figure out what they want.

Asshole doesn’t necessarily equal exciting, though.
Nice guys can be exciting too. They’re just a bit more difficult to recognize.

And I wouldn’t call the qualities I see in llary boring at all. Or, maybe you were being sarcastic to make your point.

Boring? You speak for yourself, mate. I’m a sexy bitch.

[quote=“Cerberus”]

Why don’t girls give him any time? Simple, he’s boring. Girls like assholes. The bigger an asshole I am, the more sweet sweet loving I get. Thats screwey female psychology - don’t blame me.

For more, read the ladder theory. intellectualwhores.com/masterladder.html[/quote]

[quote=“llary”]Boring? You speak for yourself, mate. I’m a sexy bitch.

[quote=“Cerberus”]

Why don’t girls give him any time? Simple, he’s boring. Girls like assholes. The bigger an asshole I am, the more sweet sweet loving I get. Thats screwey female psychology - don’t blame me.

For more, read the ladder theory. intellectualwhores.com/masterladder.html[/quote][/quote]

piiiiiiics, llary, piiiics! :smiley:

You’re officially my new Favourite Forumosan :slight_smile:

The sort of girls I ended up with back in the UK were like me and would never stay in the same country for very long. I was a serial monogamist with 6-12 month relationships before one of us left the area for whatever reason and I’m still great friends with all my exes. To be fair it was only the one girl who was so rude and I think she was just painfully shy. Perhaps I’m just being too fussy but I haven’t met anyone in Taiwan who I’ve felt anything for beyond ‘she’s really hot’. And just because I’m under 30 doesn’t mean I have to think with my dingaling all the time.

I have a great life but a very topsy-turvy one and I would like a bit of stability in my relationships for once. I’m not going to get that with a foreign girl who’s leaving in six months nor a Taiwanese girl whose life revolves around shoes and how big her boyfriend’s… nose is. And the women I meet through my line of work are, being polite, not what you would call ‘savoury’.

I live in the Da Keng mountains (Taichung). It’s a bit isolated but that means I can dance around the house naked (maybe this is why I’m not having any luck?) No noise, no pollution, beautiful scenery… what was I talking about again?

[quote=“tash”]Doesn’t matter… it’s very brave of you to say all that. I don’t know you well, we’ve only met once (girls, I have pics if anyone’s interested. PM me :slight_smile:) but if you’re real in your posts, then you are really the type of guy women think of when they say “I wish there were more guys like that around” or “guys like that are always taken”.
I’m serious. I don’t know why these things are happening to you, but it’s ironic. Most women I know (both Taiwanese and foreign) would be nothing like that on a date. Where do you live again? Not in Taipei, I remember that.[/quote]

[quote=“llary”]Boring? You speak for yourself, mate. I’m a sexy bitch.

[quote=“Cerberus”]

Why don’t girls give him any time? Simple, he’s boring. Girls like assholes. The bigger an asshole I am, the more sweet sweet loving I get. Thats screwey female psychology - don’t blame me.

For more, read the ladder theory. intellectualwhores.com/masterladder.html[/quote][/quote]

From my experiences here, I wouldn’t date a local girl younger than 30 (or too much older than 30 either :smiley: ). Its a narrow range I know, and easier for me since I’m older than you, but I find girls who are younger simply have no life experience. My advice to you Ilary is try the older ones. 30 is supposed to be the sexual peak anyway!

Otherwise your going to get emails~like this~!o_o!~

In terms of the debate over the seriousness of relationships, I think its pretty easy to tell if someone is naive or shy to get into a relationship…it should be obvious that you just don’t take a girl like that home for the night…if you don’t want a serious relationship, find an “experienced” girl. Nice / inexperienced girls get hurt.

[quote=“llary”]You’re officially my new Favourite Forumosan :slight_smile:

The sort of girls I ended up with back in the UK were like me and would never stay in the same country for very long. I was a serial monogamist with 6-12 month relationships before one of us left the area for whatever reason and I’m still great friends with all my exes. To be fair it was only the one girl who was so rude and I think she was just painfully shy. Perhaps I’m just being too fussy but I haven’t met anyone in Taiwan who I’ve felt anything for beyond ‘she’s really hot’. And just because I’m under 30 doesn’t mean I have to think with my dingaling all the time.

I have a great life but a very topsy-turvy one and I would like a bit of stability in my relationships for once. I’m not going to get that with a foreign girl who’s leaving in six months nor a Taiwanese girl whose life revolves around shoes and how big her boyfriend’s… nose is. And the women I meet through my line of work are, being polite, not what you would call ‘savoury’.

I live in the Da Keng mountains (Taichung). It’s a bit isolated but that means I can dance around the house naked (maybe this is why I’m not having any luck?) No noise, no pollution, beautiful scenery… what was I talking about again?
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I like your dry wit! Hahaha. But seriously though, by the way you wrote initially I thought you were some kind of old dude, but you’re actually under 30! Gosh… There are some smart, mature, independent TW girls out there but they are invariably the top 5% of the population. So, they are either your corporate bankers, management consultants, marketing managers, super-ambitious types, etc, etc. Not sure what is your profesion, but they way you described it you sound like you’re a bouncer in a local bar over there! :wink:

And I guess Taichung is a smaller city, more traditional, less exposure, hence your sad, sad dating situation in TW. Perhaps you can move to Taipei?

You’ve never Done It 'til you’ve Done A Llama.

I thought I had found one of those girls recently when she suddenly slipped up and started sending me trite poetry about love and kittens bangs head on wall. My Taiwanese friends all think I’d be best off with an ABC (best of both worlds… almost seems greedy!) and have started trying to set me up with suitable candidates in typical Taiwanese matchmaker style.

Sadly my lithe and supple frame precludes any chance of a nightclub security job but I do work in music. I’ve already bored half the Forumosan entrepeneur’s club with my life story but suffice to say it’s a terribly exciting and emotional one.

I love this place and if the choice is between living in dirty Taipei with a girl on each arm or the gorgeous Da Keng Scenic District as an eligible but slightly lonely bachelor then Da Keng wins for now. I’m still only 23… I’ve done the skirt-chasing routine back in the UK and I will quite happily hold out for the right lass even if it does get frustrating sometimes. Most people have their fun when they’re young and settle down in later life but I think I’m going to have loads more fun doing it the other way around.

No arguments from me there. You seem to have found yourself a great woman there btw, look after her!

[quote=“Tyc00n”]From my experiences here, I wouldn’t date a local girl younger than 30 (or too much older than 30 either :smiley: ). Its a narrow range I know, and easier for me since I’m older than you, but I find girls who are younger simply have no life experience. My advice to you Ilary is try the older ones. 30 is supposed to be the sexual peak anyway!

Otherwise your going to get emails~like this~!o_o!~

In terms of the debate over the seriousness of relationships, I think its pretty easy to tell if someone is naive or shy to get into a relationship…it should be obvious that you just don’t take a girl like that home for the night…if you don’t want a serious relationship, find an “experienced” girl. Nice / inexperienced girls get hurt.[/quote]

Once this woman left me at the doorstep, and no matter how much a pleaded with her to take me back in her arms, she just walked away. I felt helpless and alone, and started crying her name. She looked back and smiled and it was very reassuring, but she still got into her car. I was sobbing uncontrollably as her car left the curb. I screamed “Moooom!” to no avail.

It was a real nightmare. :frowning:

:noway:

Uh… I take back what I said about women who would be a match for you. They’re all at least 5 years older. There’s not much for you in that age group, dear, umfraid :frowning:

But why would you… I mean… you’re in your twenties… why? … when I was your age… I don’t understand … sorry.

I can’t believe you would dash my hopes like that! For shame.

I came from a poor family, didn’t want to be poor any more, started in business when I was 14, left school at 15 and now live in Taiwan just to be awkward. I still work 16-hour days but I love my work and have had some incredible experiences. When I get to my mid-thirties I’ll be able to take it easy (yes, I know it’s planning ahead but I’ll be grateful for it when I have kids and start getting creaky). A lot of Taiwanese girls just don’t get how important security is to me and pass me off as 流浪 (flighty?) or unpredictable.

A lot of people give me the ‘you should have more fun!’ line but I don’t really get it… I get to travel all over the world, get invited to VIP parties and make a living doing something I really enjoy (sometimes). My mum always tells me to go out and have more anonymous sex and shady parties while I can, which conclusively proves that children will always do the exact opposite of what their parents tell them. I don’t see how I would get more out of life picking up xiao jies in bars every weekend but maybe that’s just me. Either that or I really am just boring.

:noway:

Uh… I take back what I said about women who would be a match for you. They’re all at least 5 years older. There’s not much for you in that age group, dear, umfraid :frowning:

But why would you… I mean… you’re in your twenties… why? … when I was your age… I don’t understand … sorry.[/quote]

:laughing: You’re a funny guy llary. Definitely not boring. A bit ahead for your age. I didn’t mean to shatter your hopes, I just said that you might have to look a bit out of your age group. That’s all.

How about mail-order?

Kidding. Sorry. Couldn’t resist. But everything else is serious.

[quote=“tash”]:lol: You’re a funny guy llary. Definitely not boring. A bit ahead for your age. I didn’t mean to shatter your hopes, I just said that you might have to look a bit out of your age group. That’s all.

How about mail-order?

Kidding. Sorry. Couldn’t resist. But everything else is serious.[/quote]

In my limited experience here in TW, I agree with Tash (hate to generalise) but better stick to girls in their late 20’s and above. Or girls who don’t live at home anymore. 23… Hmm… perhaps you can find an older woman who would like to date you. Any takers from the the women in this forum? :rainbow:

sounds like ilary would be the perfect wingman…

what in the world do u do? vip parties, travel the world, etc etc

llary is a nice looking young man, clever and pleasant to be around, a credit to Scousers everywhere (not saying I don’t still keep one hand on my wallet when he’s around, notwithstanding), he should have no problems with the girlies…
I think his difficulties stem from his consistent fucking up of the Quote function, that’s the only thing I can see…

I did try to sneak this into someone else’s thread but they had to go and split it off and make me feel all self conscious, didn’t they?!

Cheers chiefie, I never knew you cared!

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I think his difficulties stem from his consistent fucking up of the Quote function, that’s the only thing I can see…[/quote]