Taiwan President Chen Shui-bian yesterday suggested a major Chinese Nationalist Party or Kuomintang (KMT) monument (National Taiwan Democracy Memorial Hall) in Taipei be locked up forever …[/quote]
The irony of this administration never ceases to amaze me.
To paraphrase Jimmy Carter…this is the worst adminstration in history. 
Why complain? You don’t agree with Democracy in any case. 
In any case, I’m not sure I’d agree to a monument to a political party (even if ti was a case of “e’state c’est moi”). Imaging a monument in Washington to the Democratic Party? 
All the Chen Administration seems to be able to do is change the name of everything with “Chiang Kai Shek” or “China” in its name through forceful means, and artificially divide the Han populace into “racial” factions (the favored Taiwanese, the Hakka, and the disfavored “mainlanders”). :raspberry:
A-bian xia tai!
how did this get dragged into here?
Disfavoured mainlanders? Where? In China, maybe…
So let us build in Berlin a huge monument to Hitler, a huge monument to Mussolini in Rome, one for Franco in Madrid, one for Salazar in Lisbon, and so on and so on…
Chris, by your flag you are American, so your country never had a transition time between dictatorship and democracy, and because of that, you know nothing about it.
But, I have interesting info for you: it happened in America, so you must be aware of it.
When the same type of situation happened in America (read carpetbagging), there was a very known group fighting against it. Here is a little propaganda from them:
I’m not going to compare the KKK to the BSR, but, you have to agree, things in US turned out a lot worse for the carpetbaggers.
mr_boogie,
What a bizarre little man you are. Didn’t the KKK “lose” the South, and the carpetbaggers eventually accomplish every one of their political and social initiatives? I don’t understand the analogy. Is it possible you just have a collection of strange photos somewhere, and you were desperately waiting for the opportunity to publicly flash this one?
mr_boogie:
What an interesting undercurrent of thought. Surely you don’t equate the BSR to a racist, white supremacist movement that killed thousands of innocent people. So maybe what you are trying to say is that in hindsight, the BSR should have organized themselves and killed Mainlanders?
No, I’m just comparing 2 situations in history where “losers” where invaded by carpetbaggers saying that they where “rejoining” the whole country
There was violent repression that happened in the US against the carpetbaggers.
There was violent repression that happened in Taiwan from the carpetbaggers.
It is by comparing different histories of different civilizations that you can have a better picture of a certain event. Any carpetbagger in Taiwan was millions of times happier than any carpetbagger that went to the south of US.
So, this is all to point out that, if anyone wants to see real divide into populaces with the introduction of a big quantity of carpetbaggers, look no further than the “Reconstruction” time.
That AC etc. are spawned from carpet baggers who came here for their own gain only, is something they are loth to admit.
how did this get dragged into here?[/quote]
Because it’s an integrally related issue.
As opposed to… who? The Hoklo forefathers (and Mr. He) who originally came to Taiwan out of a deep desire to sacrifice their lives for the Treasure Island?
~confused~
And you came to Taiwan because of your deep altruism?
Mr. Moderator-of-philantrophy-club 
But what does that have to do with locking up Democracy in Taiwan?
The park is renamed already. What else to they want to do? Lock up all the WSR and non-pure Hoklo in the park as well?
I guess me and a bunch of foreigners better get use to the idea of living in a park forever…and ever.
There’s one major difference between say me and AC’s daddy.
I have yet to use force of arms to subjugate any neighbors.
I don’t now about that. My daddy is a BSR for yilan. The baston of Green support and Hoklo pride in Northern Taiwan.
How ironic that he married a WSR woman. And even more ironic is that he’s a proud grand-daddy of an American…
But anyways, please insult the proper parent with your insights to why the president suggested to close the park after renaming it.
sorry Chris, but I would like to see, in numbers, how many of these “disfavoured” mainlanders there are… because as far as I can see, not many, compared to the rest of the populace. And can you tell me 1 single law created by the Chen Administration that disfavours mainlanders?
If you can’t, I hope you can retract your comment. That is the kind of rhetoric you will hear just to protect established interests…
It’s a rather foolish statement. Tactically, the KMT made a decision to retreat to Taiwan rather than surrender to the Communists on the mainland. The regime insured its own survival and eventually prosperity on the island of Taiwan, albeit in a repressive political climate.
Concerning the people of Han descent who live on the island of Taiwan, what’s the real difference among those who came in 1949 and their descendants and those whose families have been in Taiwan a few hundred years longer?
Most immigrated here because they didn’t want to stay on the mainland. Some were refugees, others weren’t.
Some speak “Taiwanese” as a first language. But how does that really make them different? It’s just another language with roots in mainland China, just like Mandarin, Hakka, Cantonese, Shanghainese, etc.
Taiwan is indeed part of a “Greater China” if you look at it conceptually.
LOL. The mainlanders set up this identity-driven divide in Taiwan politics, and now it is coming back to bite them with a vengeance. If only they had healed the island instead of dividing it in 50 years of martial law, none of these problems would be here, and everyone would be worshipping CKS together.
Michael
Michael, I think that people here fail to see that the carpetbagging examples around the world meant nothing more than divide. So let us all put in the same bag the Catholics from Northern Ireland, the Basques, the Catalonians, the Corse, the BSR (ok, guess these ones should be enough…) and you will see strong resistance (being that the BSR resistance is a joke) against the new “owners”.
AC, Yilan is not a bastion of green support (the Mayor is from KMT) and, around me, guess that everyone is blue (think that in my neighbourhood, there is 80-99% of public workers). There are 25 houses in this complex, 7 black Cefiros…
[quote=“ac_dropout”][quote]http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=150336&version=1&template_id=45&parent_id=25
Taiwan President Chen Shui-bian yesterday suggested a major Chinese Nationalist Party or Kuomintang (KMT) monument (National Taiwan Democracy Memorial Hall) in Taipei be locked up forever …[/quote]
The irony of this administration never ceases to amaze me.
To paraphrase Jimmy Carter…this is the worst adminstration in history. [/quote]
Anybody care to tell me why Taiwan isn’t this century’s joke of the universe? What, they haven’t figured out a final plan so they use a screen to cover up the plaque? Can these orders of Chairman Chen be any more whimsical or can his Green Guards be any more stupid?
[quote=“zeugmite”][quote=“ac_dropout”][quote]http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=150336&version=1&template_id=45&parent_id=25
Taiwan President Chen Shui-bian yesterday suggested a major Chinese Nationalist Party or Kuomintang (KMT) monument (National Taiwan Democracy Memorial Hall) in Taipei be locked up forever …[/quote]
The irony of this administration never ceases to amaze me.
To paraphrase Jimmy Carter…this is the worst adminstration in history. [/quote]
Anybody care to tell me why Taiwan isn’t this century’s joke of the universe? What, they haven’t figured out a final plan so they use a screen to cover up the plaque? Can these orders of Chairman Chen be any more whimsical or can his Green Guards be any more stupid?
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The funny thing about this move, is the Taipei government is planning to fine the Ministry of Education 5000 USD for covering the sign.
So cover it up and lock it up. What next cut funding to the park maintaince? So that a festering blight can be at the center of Taipei.
What will this administration come up with next to entertain us next week.