Macau visa run - 08-20-2008 - not as easy as it used to be!

Greetings,

To all who might be considering a visa run to Macau, the following recent personal experience is submitted for your informational purposes. I apologize in advance for the length and detail of this post, however, I believe in being thorough!

Background:

My friend arrived on a 2-month, single entry, non-extendable, vistor visa. He arrived on June 26, 2008. Since his arrival date he’s been looking for the “perfect” English teaching job. He finally found a suitable school and he signed a contract last week, but doesn’t have enough time remaining on his visitor visa to successfully process a working permit, working visa, and ARC card. Hence, the necessity of a visa run to Macau.

Procedure:

  1. He departed Taiwan on 8-20-2008 at 8am with a same day rountrip ticket on Air Macau for $10,200 NTD. Could have been cheaper by around $3,000 NTD if he had arrived in the early afternoon and departed in the late evening. However, you can’t get the visa processed with one day service this way.

  2. He arrived in Macau at approximately 9:50am, made his way to a foreign currency exchange service and changed some US dollars into Macau MOPS. Tip: Remember, you are required to pay for your visa fee in either Macau MOPS or Hong Kong Dollars, only. Don’t forget to change money before leaving the airport.

  3. He then made his way outside to the taxi stand and gave the following address for the Taipei Economic and Cultural Center to his taxi driver and he was off.

台北經濟文化中心/澳門事務處(隸屬行政院大陸委員會)
澳門新口岸宋玉生廣場411- 417號皇朝大廈六樓F-K座
電話:(853) 28306282, 28306289

Taipei Economic and Cultural Center
Al. Dr. Carlos d’Assumpcao, No 411- 417,Edif Dynasty Plaza,6 Ander “F-K”, Macau
Telephone:(853) 28306282, 28306289
E-mail:tpe@macau.ctm.net

  1. The current hours of operation are Monday through Friday 9am~12pm and 1pm~4:30pm. You can check for changes and or updates at the Taiwan Bureau of Consular Affairs website regarding Macau at the following web page link.

boca.gov.tw/ct.asp?xItem=146&ctNode=56&mp=1

  1. My friend required same day service so he needed to submit his visa application between 9am~12pm with a pickup at 4:30pm. It’s a very short ride from the airport to the TECO office and he arrived at approximately 10:30am. He had already filled out a visa application here in Taiwan the night before and he just had to walk up to the counter and submit the application and pay the fees. Based on other postings in this forum, he figured it would be a piece of cake and it would be just a few minutes before he was out of there. NOT! Apparently, the Macau TECO has caught on that people are avoiding Hong Kong and Okinawa and are opting for the easy, peasy, Macau visa run. Therefore, the staff at the Macau TECO are scrutinizing visa applications a little more closely than before! The female clerk at the desk asked my friend some cursory simple visa questions, purpose of travel, duration of travel, etc. She then asked him where he was working in Taiwan! My friend answered that he wasn’t working, hasn’t been working, and doesn’t intend to work upon returning to Taiwan, just tourism. She then looked at him very carefully and with a doubtful look and tilt of her head asked him point blank, “Are you sure you haven’t been working at all? How about teaching English or tutoring private students?!” She really watched his facial expressions as he firmly shook his head and soberly said that he wasn’t working, hasn’t been working, and doesn’t intend to work upon returning to Taiwan, just tourism. The whole questioning took about 10 minutes. Finally, she seemed satisfied with his calm, cool, and collected responses and asked him to have a seat for a moment. Two minutes later, the head honcho Director of the Macau TECO called him over to a private 1 on 1 vestibule for a chat! Now, my friend started to sweat. Why, oh why was this happening to him? Well, it seems that the last time he was here in Taiwan, September 2006, as a Chinese language student at Shi-Ta University, he had overstayed his student visa by 9 days and they had the records. The director first asked about this and the circumstances surrounding the overstay and subsequent overstay fine he had to pay as he departed Taiwan in 2006. Then he asked what his occupation was and my friend replied that he had just graduated from college. The director wanted to know why he wasn’t returning to America now because the new semester should be starting soon. My friend told him that he was delaying entering graduate school for a semester so he could take a break from his studies and travel around the world before heading back and hitting the books because he would be entering a PhD program and wouldn’t be able to travel again for quite a while. The director then asked how it was possible for him to support himself during this extended period of travel. My friend replied that he had a full-ride academic scholarship to Harvard, which is in fact correct. The final question was, “So after you finish touring Taiwan you will be heading STRAIGHT back to the US?” This was a trick question because in order to apply for a visitor visa, you need to show them an airplane ticket which shows you leaving Taiwan. Don’t forget this! My friend had printed out an Electronic Travelocity airplane itinerary and he didn’t have an actual paper ticket or E-ticket but that didn’t seem to be an issue to them. However, the destination leaving Taiwan was not the US, it was Bangkok, Thailand and the director had seen this! My friend almost slipped up and said that yes in fact he was going straight back to the US, but before he said a word, he caught it and said that in fact he would be first going to Thailand to visit a college mate, then Cambodia to see Angor Wat, and then to Vietnam before finally returning to the US. The director smiled and said, “Wow, you lead a very fun and exciting life.” He then told my friend that he was going to approve a single entry, 60 day visitor visa, that HAS the possibility of extension this time. The director told him that based on the 9 days overstay two years ago he was not eligible for a multiple entry visa and that in fact he was lucky that he hadn’t overstayed 10 days because the level of punishment is higher at that point. He didn’t specify what the “increased level of punishment” would have been and my friend didn’t dare ask at this point. He was told to come back at 4pm and that he could get the visa at 4:30pm. He shook the director’s hand, said thanks and got the hell out of there!

  2. He returned to the TECO at 4pm and actually had to wait until 4:30pm to get his visa. He paid $1,064 Macau MOPS for the visa and a same day express charge of $203 Macau MOPS for a total of $1,267 Macau MOPS.

  3. His return ticket to Taiwan was a 7:05pm departure and it was a little early, but he’d had about enough of Macau and the “easy, peasy, visa run”. So he returned to the airport and was able to change his ticket to an earlier flight.

Conclusion:

It looks as though Macau isn’t necessarily the easier place to go for a visa run. If you do go, you better have all your paperwork in order and your story straight. My friend is well educated, articulate, polite, clean cut, no earings or piercings, no tattoos, and he dressed in nice slacks with dress shoes and wore a nice button down long sleeve dress shirt. Think geeky Harvard boy! The only way he could have improved his appearance would have been by wearing a tie. Of course it also depends on the individual and the different past circumstances like my friend’s overstay of 9 days two years ago. Oh, by the way. The director also told my friend that the following year after an overstay, you can’t enter Taiwan visa-less. You are required to get an official visitor visa approved at a TECO outside of Taiwan first. If he were to have arrived visa-less in 2007 expecting a 30 day stay or less on the visa waiver program, they wouldn’t have let him enter Taiwan and he would have had to get on another plane and go somewhere else to get a visa first. Good information to know!

So, now he’s safely back and his school will submit for his working permit, working visa, and ARC next week. He already did his medical exam the week before he left so it shouldn’t take too long. He’s now concerned, however, with the amount of hassle he received in Macau regarding his overstay history as to whether or not he will be approved for a working permit, working visa, and ARC. Guess we’ll just see what we see! It appears that it’s not a very good idea to overstay one’s visa.

Respectfully submitted,

Northcoast Surfer

Wow. That was so much very good information, thank you very much for posting that in such detail. I got my 60 visitor visa to TW yesterday, and they would not allow it to be extendable. I see a similar adventure for myself around 60 days from now, where would you suggest to go for a visa run, or at least where would you recommend avoiding?

Macau sounds fine to me. Of course he’s going to be scrutinized – he’s got an overstay record. Moral is: DON’T overstay, even for a few days.

After reading that story, this was exactly what I was thinking.

Some people seem to think overstaying a visa isn’t a big deal. It is a big deal. Don’t even think of overstaying, save for some absolute catastrophe (e.g. hospitalization for severe injury).

For what it’s worth, I overstayed a visa by 7 days or so as well and I’ve never been put on the hot seat like that. The last time I did a visa run, I went to Bangkok and I was able to get a 60-day tourist visa with a note from a former employer saying that they were going to hire me. Stamp, stamp, cough up 5000 baht, and I was on my way.

Anyhow, that overstay isn’t going to affect your friend’s getting his work permit.

An overstay on record and he told lies to the visa office - no wonder he got grilled. There’d have been nothing wrong with saying he was returning to Taiwan in order to start work. If it was me, I’d have taken a copy of a contract with the school to the visa office and shown them that while I was applying for the visa. They’re not stupid - they know what’s going on.

3 years ago I was in Macau doing the visa thing but I actually had all the papers for my new working permit with me, I also had an overstay from the year before something like 5 days. I too was called aside to speak with the director and he asked why?

I told him the truth: it was my first job and the bass took my passport as a security measure, when my contract was close ending I gave her all the paper 2 months in advance for her to reapply, I kept asking her as the date loomed, she kept saying no problem don’t worry. Well the day my arc runs out she hands me passport and says sorry I forgot see you when you get back!

The director listens to my story, gets reds red in the face and enraged and starts screaming, no exaggeration, screaming that I am a dirty American I don’t deserve to be allowed in Taiwan! The guy is holding my passport and it is clearly Canadian, I tell him “Sir I am Canadian not American.” This of course causes him to lose face which makes him even angrier and he actually stands up knocking over his chair Now he is standing over me pointing his finger in my face screaming that I am a dirty American and why do I think I deserve to be allowed into Taiwan?

This is very hard to swallow and after about 5 mins of his tantrum I ask him to return my passport and provide a letter explaining why he has refused my visa when I already have an approved letter form the CLA and MOE, he throws my passport on the floor and storms off swearing .

The counter girl asks me to return in 6 hours to pick up my visa, WTF? :astonished:

I ask her to give me his name, she refuses…
No shit she refuses. When I return later that day they are telling this Guy from Ghana that they are out of application forms, and he should go home.

So it sounds like they’re actually getting better.

[quote=“shifty”]
The director listens to my story, gets reds red in the face and enraged and starts screaming, no exaggeration, screaming that I am a dirty American I don’t deserve to be allowed in Taiwan! [/quote]
That is a crazy story. It’s disturbing to think there are such blatantly racist people working in matters related to immigration.

Excellent description.

The same thing happened in Macau. When he got back to Taipei he filed an official complaint with the proper government and 2 weeks later he got a letter of apology. Also because he posted it on some sites like CNN’s Ireport.

[quote=“shifty”]3 years ago I was in Macau doing the visa thing but I actually had all the papers for my new working permit with me, I also had an overstay from the year before something like 5 days. I too was called aside to speak with the director and he asked why?

I told him the truth: it was my first job and the bass took my passport as a security measure, when my contract was close ending I gave her all the paper 2 months in advance for her to reapply, I kept asking her as the date loomed, she kept saying no problem don’t worry. Well the day my arc runs out she hands me passport and says sorry I forgot see you when you get back!

The director listens to my story, gets reds red in the face and enraged and starts screaming, no exaggeration, screaming that I am a dirty American I don’t deserve to be allowed in Taiwan! The guy is holding my passport and it is clearly Canadian, I tell him “Sir I am Canadian not American.” This of course causes him to lose face which makes him even angrier and he actually stands up knocking over his chair Now he is standing over me pointing his finger in my face screaming that I am a dirty American and why do I think I deserve to be allowed into Taiwan?

This is very hard to swallow and after about 5 mins of his tantrum I ask him to return my passport and provide a letter explaining why he has refused my visa when I already have an approved letter form the CLA and MOE, he throws my passport on the floor and storms off swearing .

The counter girl asks me to return in 6 hours to pick up my visa, WTF? :astonished:

I ask her to give me his name, she refuses…
No shit she refuses. When I return later that day they are telling this Guy from Ghana that they are out of application forms, and he should go home.[/quote]

Just ridiculous really. But honestly? Canada is just another American state isnt it?? JUST KIDDING JUST KIDDING :slight_smile:

But to TAiwanese, Canada is like the 51st US state and they are pissed because they feel Taiwan should be. :howyoudoin: :bow:

[quote=“barfomcgee”][quote=“shifty”]
The director listens to my story, gets reds red in the face and enraged and starts screaming, no exaggeration, screaming that I am a dirty American I don’t deserve to be allowed in Taiwan! [/quote]
That is a crazy story. It’s disturbing to think there are such blatantly racist people working in matters related to immigration.[/quote]

Ah, so you’ve never met the resident visa checker at counter one in Hong Kong, I take it. Perhaps she could get a transfer to Macau and play good cop to the director’s bad cop :laughing:

I once said to someone after they said Canada and the US are the same, that ok your right just like Taiwan and China are the same country. It shut him up. hehehe

[quote=“tommy525”]Just ridiculous really. But honestly? Canada is just another American state isnt it?? JUST KIDDING JUST KIDDING :slight_smile:

But to Taiwanese, Canada is like the 51st US state and they are pissed because they feel Taiwan should be. :howyoudoin: :bow:[/quote]

[quote=“Keith_freechina”]I once said to someone after they said Canada and the US are the same, that ok your right just like Taiwan and China are the same country. It shut him up. hehehe

[quote=“tommy525”]Just ridiculous really. But honestly? Canada is just another American state isnt it?? JUST KIDDING JUST KIDDING :slight_smile:

But to Taiwanese, Canada is like the 51st US state and they are pissed because they feel Taiwan should be. :howyoudoin: :bow:[/quote][/quote]

Thats actually a really good one !!! I liked that :slight_smile:

I seriously thought about that when I got back, but I am married and live here permanently and I was concerned about getting labeled as the asshole whitey who doesn’t know his place and fucked with every single time I ever have to deal with resident or visa issues for the rest of my life.

[quote=“Northcoast Surfer”]Greetings,
My friend arrived on a 2-month, single entry, non-extendable, vistor visa. He arrived on June 26, 2008. Since his arrival date he’s been looking for the “perfect” English teaching job. He finally found a suitable school and he signed a contract last week, but doesn’t have enough time remaining on his visitor visa to successfully process a working permit, working visa, and ARC card. Hence, the necessity of a visa run to Macau.
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Discussion:
Why couldn’t he have just been honest with the TECO office? “I haven’t worked. I spent the past two months enjoying what the island offers and have decided I would like to live here legally. I found a job with a good school and just signed a contract – here is my contract, stating my intended start date.” His rationale for the visa of “I’m just going to travel” is so overused.

I ran into the same problem as your friend a few months ago and went to Japan. The TECO office there was very pleasant and they asked the same question. But I showed a school contract with the start date not for another four weeks (enough time to line up all the other legal details once back in Taiwan). The woman crossed off my tick on the “tourist visa” box and changed it to “business.” There were no problems.

(Of course, upon arrival and getting the work permit, my business visa was canceled and I had to re-apply (in Taiwan) for a resident visa.

It’s good things worked out for your friend, but I suggest being honest about his future plans next time.

First, let me say thanks to Northcoast Surfer for the excellent post with all the detail, many of which helped me out tremendously during my recent visa run. Thanks, bro! And, I agree with the poster who said that your friend should have just taken the correct paperwork and told the truth.

Since this seems like a useful thread for anyone considering going to Macau, here’s my 2 cents (more like four, haha, sorry about the length) about my recent trip.

Background: I’ve lived in Taiwan for seven years and overstayed a total of three (almost four) times. I went to HK 3 times already (stay at the Mount Davis Youth Hostel if you go!), and had read about the Macau option in the Taipei Times. Then, I googled it and found this thread.

I recently changed jobs, and now I’m teaching again at a great small school. They did my contract and I got my employment contract from the government (the form with the green matrix and cube in the circle logo on the bottom left). This paper is your golden ticket to a stress-free appointment for a working/resident visa. Otherwise, an original copy of your contract is enough as long as you explain this to the staff, which was my friend’s situation. We found the staff to be very friendly and helpful. No sign of any craziness or abuse as I read about above!

I met my friend on the plane, actually sitting next to me. Bizarrely, she was going on a visa run, too, and she had her hotel, etc. all sorted out. We immediately made a pact to conquer the challenge together. We flew in on a Sunday evening and flew out the following day (same flight again, imagine the odds), after paying the rush fee for one-day service. We hit the office early, submitted our stuff, had short interviews with the consular staff, and it didn’t really take a lot of time. If you’re nice to the people, they’re perfectly willing to be nice back!

I agree that honesty is the best policy when dealing with these people. Have the stuff you need. Be positive and friendly. Make eye contact. It’s enough to say, “I just want to go back to Taiwan and do my job.” Other things I learned at the Visa office: They don’t take US dollars, or at least they didn’t for my Canadian friend. I paid in HK dollars (about 1500), which have about the same value as the local MOP currency. Casinos only use HK, and folks constantly give you change in MOPs. Don’t know why.

Here’s the situation with my so-called “overstay.” I left one job, worked at another for a few months before I was put on “downturn leave.” Then, I found this new school. The latest stamp on my ARC doesn’t expire until this March 31, a full ten days away from when I submitted this post. However, when I took my contract to the BeiTou Immigration office to get the next stamp on my ARC, they told me my old employer had submitted the paperwork to terminate me (after all, it was a long time) before my new paperwork was accepted. Apparently they called my old office and were supposed to notify me by mail that I was in danger of overstaying, but both methods of communication failed to inform me. Visa run time, thus Macau (I’m so bored of HK, haha).

If you overstay, you must go to the special Immigration counter on the first floor of TaoYuen Airport in the corner near the street where the busses drop you off. Do NOT go to the second floor (as previously was the case), because they can’t even tell you where the immigration office is (saying “right” and pointing left at the same time, ya know). To find Immigration, imagine you’re leaving the basement cafeteria area, coming up the stairs. Turn right and go straight to the end. If you have overstayed, I strongly suggest that you check in with these people first before you get your boarding pass. Tell them what time your flight leaves. Unless I’m mistaken fines for overstaying your visa are: <10 days = 1000. 10-90(?) = 5000, and after 90 = 10,000 NT. Please post corrections if I’m wrong.

When I got finally got there after running around and asking a million people, the Immigration lady looked at my ARC and my (thankfully new and without any incriminating overstay evidence) passport, they were like, “Well, you didn’t really overstay. You won’t have to pay a fine.” Well, that was nice. But I still had to do the visa run, and it ain’t cheap. In addition to the 5000 NT flight, I converted another 9000 NT into HK dollars to cover the expenses. So I changed money and ran to the plane, which is where I met my friend.

Because I thought that I had overstayed, I prepared a letter to the visa office, explaining my situation and the fact that I wasn’t notified. I pointed out that the stamp on my ARC was still valid, and explained about my new job. Also, I checked “yes” in the box on the form that asks if you’ve overstayed. The critical elements to put into this kind of letter are as follows: “I’m sorry I overstayed my visa. Here’s the situation: etc. I promise I will try very hard to avoid overstaying my visa in the future.” This letter is also a must-have if you go on a Hong Kong visa run.

After we submitted our paperwork and had our interviews, my friend and I joined a $300 MOP/HK tour that went to two UNESCO world heritage sites: St. Paul’s Church, or what’s left of it, haha, and this dirty, smoky, unimpressive ancient temple. We also saw Macau Tower (neat!), an ugly as hell statue of Kuan-In, the Goddess of Mercy, the F1 museum (not bad) and a wine museum, which would have been more interesting if they had given us a tasting before we walked in instead of at the end. Lunch was at an off-casino buffet where all manner of dead animals were available in unlimited quantities.

The tour dropped us off near the Kuan-Yin statue, which is a convenient reference point to explain where the visa office is. Looking inland, you’ll see a relatively wide pedestrian park area filled with trees, with rows of buildings lining the park for blocks down the road. The visa office is the fourth or fifth large building on the left hand side. Again, please refer to the excellent Taipei Times article for all kinds of extra information. As opposed to last time, when a dude at TaoYuen airport printed out my visa and put it in my passport, the folks at the Macau office did that for us.

Also, if you ever have to do a health check, visa run, ARC thing, or whatever, it’s always smart to have at least 8 passport photos in your packet. Hope this information helps. Peace out. Torch