Media opportunism: Imus isn't the real bad guy

This commentary was pasted into an email from a black buddy of mine who lives in South-Central. I’m mentioning that in case I get swabbed with the same brush Imus did. I don’t have a URL for the source of the commentary, so I’m going to post the whole thing - sorry, but I think it’s really worth a read:

[b]Imus isn’t the real bad guy - Instead of wasting time on irrelevant shock jock, black leaders need to be fighting a growing gangster culture.

By JASON WHITLOCK - Columnist

Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.
You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.
Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.
It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack. But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction. In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?

I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?

When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.

No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.[/b]

Hear, hear. :bravo:

What Imus did was wrong, but I’ve heard the shit blasting out of stores and restaurants here. It’s hard to enjoy a meal with someone saying “fuck that fuckin’ nigga bitch 'ho” every two seconds. Again, I have asked them to switch the music to something less offensive or I was leaving.

My senior cummulative course was African-Americans and Media. And although I think I’ve talked to death about that course and how the first day the white students all segregated themselves, table by table, from the black students and then did piss-poor reports, mainly focusing on blacks and crime… I do have to say my group did research about how black women have been portrayed in the media over the last 100 years and even the little pickininny poreclain jars with wide-eyed girls, over-sized red lips and a handful of sliced watermelon are no where as dehumanizing as the way they are being portrayed in rap videos and being talked about in hip-hop and rap music.

Demeaning the women of Rutgers for their achievements was dead wrong, but the sad thing is, it was done in the language that is used to paint all black women by some black men who make millions of dollars for doing so.

Not disagreeing with the main thrust of the discussion here, just want to mention that Imus wasn’t canned for this one instance. He was canned for the last half decade or more of hate speech and stupid comments.

yup. and attacking rap is just retarded.

this black man said it better:

cnn.com/2007/US/04/13/martin.imus/index.html

Hell, white rock is more sexist anyway. Exhibit A: Ac/dc. B: Poison. C: the rest of it.

no he wasn’t. pretty obviously, if that was the case he would have been fired already. the media uproar over these comments led to him being fired.

why? it seemed to me to be a coherent argument, hardly deserving the characterization “retarded”

[quote]this black man said it better:

America, we have a problem with sexism. Don’t try to make this whole matter about the ridiculous rants made by rappers. I deplore what’s in a lot of their music and videos, but hip-hop is only 30 years old. So you mean to tell me that sexism in America only started in 1977? [/quote]

in that case, it’s not about the ridiculous rants made by talk show hosts, or KKKers, either?

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Hell, white rock is more sexist anyway. Exhibit A: Ac/dc. B: Poison. C: the rest of it.[/quote]

lol. i can’t see how that could be relevant to the op but i bet if you did a comparative analysis more exhaustive than the above you would be proven wrong.

It was sexist in objectifying women in videos, but it never degraded to calling them names or saying “fuck you” to women.
Even when hard rock was at its worst, it was not dominated by “artists” with murder, manslaughter, and robbery on their police record. We’ve gone from “Bad Boyz Records” of hip-hop’s early days to “Death Row Records”. Criminals are praised and women are degraded. That’s fucked up.

As I said, Imus was using the same words being just as hatefully spewed from the mouths of young black men on albums. It doesn’t make it anymore right, but damned if the mirror ain’t uglier when it’s aimed back at you unexpectedly.

Perhaps this is the straw that will break the camel’s back and make people realize that hate speech is hate speech even if it’s about your own people.

Jason Whitlock writes for the Kansas City Star (the article can be found here: kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html) and was on Larry King last night. His started off by saying that he is sickened by the fact that Imus is meeting with the team at the governor’s mansion over this issue (with tears being shed and all) because the team appears to have chosen victimhood over the comments of a radio DJ who they have never, in all likelihood, ever heard of until the incident was made public.

no he wasn’t. pretty obviously, if that was the case he would have been fired already. the media uproar over these comments led to him being fired.[/quote]

Yes he was, he has been spewing the garbage for too long. When he was fired it was because his overlords asked the people he worked with and they had all had enough.

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Emphasis mine

Where’s the other Imus thread?
I could have sworn I posted the Jason Whitlock article in it.

Anyway…glad it got posted.
Latest news is the Duke team has agreed to accept Imus’ apology.

Imus is a twit. I personally do not care for him or his show.

Some more on Jason Whitlock:

www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html

www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ZQXaXmCW4

ww.thebiglead.com/?p=2111

By the way, his usual gig is as a sports writer. I think thats going to be changing.

if you believe that, i have some swamp land in florida i’d like to sell you. the timeline is clear here. imus makes outrageous comments of all kinds for years–advertisers pour in money–management is laughing, not giving a &!%#–imus makes outrageous comment that gets on the al and jesse show–advertisers not happy–management suspends him, hoping and praying it all blows over so they can continue raking in cash while imus continues making ho jokes–advertisers still bailing–they sigh a long sigh and dump him, making up some bullshit about an ongoing review and polling the staff so that they look like they actually care

[quote=“ImaniOU”] It was sexist in objectifying women in videos, but it never degraded to calling them names or saying “fuck you” to women.
Even when hard rock was at its worst, it was not dominated by “artists” with murder, manslaughter, and robbery on their police record. We’ve gone from “Bad Boyz Records” of hip-hop’s early days to “Death Row Records”. Criminals are praised and women are degraded. That’s fucked up.[/quote]

Various problems here:

  1. lots of rock musicians have committed murder, manslaughter, robbery and other equally heinous crimes. From chuck berry to gary glitter to sid vicious to that guy from “mest”. And seriously, listen to an early g’n’r or AC/DC album (or better yet, just look up the lyrics) if you want to hear hard rock artists calling women names.

  2. Bad Boyz is not early hip hop and Death Row is not current hiphop. And there were and are plenty of hiphoppers that turned the stereotype on its head: De La Soul then, K-OS now…

  3. The point overall that I am trying to make is that there’s a double standard being applied to black (i.e. hiphop) and white (i.e. rock) music lyrics. I don’t need to make that point, all you have to do really is go check out some lyrics. Whatever offensive material you find in rap, there is an equally offensive term in rock.

The words are not the whole story. The context, and who is saying them, is. A good demonstration is that classic Chappelle’s show sketch from the first episode.

An overly simplistic analysis. It IS possible to reclaim a word and to manipulate hateful terms to turn them into words of pride in oneself. Language is mutable. Words are not invested with specific moral values. They don’t exist in a void but are spoken and written by different people from different backgrounds, and they have different meanings based on those backgrounds.

The biggest problem here is the erosion of freedom of speech.

do you think so? it seems to me a business decision on the network’s part, understandable. imus can say what he wants, but he doesn’t necessarily have to get paid for it. as far as the team, who could blame them for complaining, personally i wouldn’t care who said what about my hair but being called a “ho” is not nice. i can’t see any real reason to be concerned about what happened to imus here.

do you think so? it seems to me a business decision on the network’s part, understandable. imus can say what he wants, but he doesn’t necessarily have to get paid for it. as far as the team, who could blame them for complaining, personally i wouldn’t care who said what about my hair but being called a “ho” is not nice. i can’t see any real reason to be concerned about what happened to imus here.[/quote]

This is really about freedom of speech. Imus, pre corporate sponsorship, would have had his two week vacation-er, I mean, suspension-been back, and watched his mouth for a moment. But now in this climate of media conglomerates , who used conveniently used the public as a reason to stifle the jock, have found a really good way in allowing themselves to exert an amount of control they couldn’t do in the 80’s and early 90’s. The FCC may be a distant memory if these companies keep it up.

But also Imus just “kept shit up”. Meaning he just kept going on and on with nasty stuff, so in this case, it could just truly be “what ye sow, ye shall reap.”

But isn’t that how it is suppose to work. Consumer pay advertisers. Advertisers pay Media company. Media company pays entertainer. Thus consumers complaining about an entertainer is no longer spitting in the wind type of activity.

I don’t see it as freedom of speech issue in the legal sense as much as I see it as the continued growth of PC-ness in society. Unforntunately there seems to be no standard for what exactly is acceptable. For Hip Hop artists and certain comedians or commentators anything goes, but for others, a joke that flops or a mis-speak is enough to enact the wrath of the PC police. At this point it doesn’t even seem to be a racial thing or a conservative/liberal thing, just a matter of what happens to get latched on to by the various paranoia groups out there.

I’m not clear on FCC rules, so I don’t know if their are legal ramifications for Imus concerning his speech. But IMO, it still infringes or now blurs the line as to what could constitute as free speech. Meanwhile, everyone is basicly making a school yard arguement (they do it so why can’t I ) by using Hip Hop as an example. Talk show and rap are two different formats.

All this makes me long for the days when this guy was on the air:

Morton Downey Jr.

[quote=“lurkky”][quote=“ImaniOU”] It was sexist in objectifying women in videos, but it never degraded to calling them names or saying “fuck you” to women.
Even when hard rock was at its worst, it was not dominated by “artists” with murder, manslaughter, and robbery on their police record. We’ve gone from “Bad Boyz Records” of hip-hop’s early days to “Death Row Records”. Criminals are praised and women are degraded. That’s fucked up.[/quote]

Various problems here:

  1. lots of rock musicians have committed murder, manslaughter, robbery and other equally heinous crimes. From chuck berry to gary glitter to sid vicious to that guy from “mest”. And seriously, listen to an early g’n’r or AC/DC album (or better yet, just look up the lyrics) if you want to hear hard rock artists calling women names. [/quote]

Ummmmm… Yeah, AC/DC, GNR and Poison had some very raunchy, sexist songs. But they seem to be far more about glorifying the act of sex itself than being as outrightly misogynistic as many hip hop songs seem to be. Besides, your whole point here is completely irrelevant, as these artists represent a very small portion of the rock pantheon, the majority of which is not generally about glorifying violence, misogeny, homophobia, gangsterism, crime, conspicuous consumption, etc. Name some other mainstream rock bands who you think promote sexism, misogyny and violence on a greater scale than current mainstream hip-hop.

I hardly think focussing on bands that left the limelight at least 20 years ago is relevant to your argument. Indeed, the entire grunge/alternative rock revolution of the 90s was a backlash and rebellion against the sexism and materialism of mainstream 80s rock/metal (besides which, there were many 80s metal/rock bands such as Iron Maiden and Metallica who had nothing to do with the promotion of such values anyway). How about you give some examples of current mainstream (ie that kids these days listen to - most people under 25 have no idea who AC/DC, poison, and GNR and other early 80s metal artists are, let alone listen to their music) rockers who would fit your profile as being as bad as hip hop artists. How many rock videos do you see on MTV with ridiculously expensive cars, gun-toting “thuggz” draped in kilograms of gold jewelery throwing money at submissive, eroticised hordes of bikini-clad girls? I haven’t watched MTV for a while, but I don’t recall seeing many (if any) rock videos like this, whilst almost all the mainstream hip-hop videos were exactly like this.

Yeah, maybe not as defined by a hip-hop purist. I wouldn’t call Robbie Williams “rock” either but millions of people seem to think that he’s a rocker (ugh…). The fact is, the current crop of shit on MTV that talks about bling-bling, ‘hos and bustin’ caps in people is what the youth defines as hip hop.

Again, please reference someone currently regarded as a mainstream, influential rock artist, not one or two bands that were around 20-30 years ago.

Check out the following article, Hip-Hop Head Interrogates The Music He Loves, in which a young black film-maker investigates the current mainstream hip hop culture and the social ills it has bred.

Sure, rock is, and always has been far from squeaky clean. Drugs and alcohol have been a massive influence on rockers since the early days. But glorifying violence, objectification of women, promotion of hate speech, glorification of greed and material excess? Certainly some bands have been guilty of some of these things in the past, but as a movement, you could hardly say that this is what rock has, or currently promotes. Sadly though, this seems to be exactly what mainstream hip-hop is promoting to the youth these days.

Imus is a man who essentlially hates life, hates himself, hates all people, is a drunk and a bascially stupid person. But he shouldn’t have been fired. America needs men like that.