Your post full of bragging tortured my eyes.
Edit - I see others have already asked that.
My adult students. Though as you said, most everyone has busy lives and can’t afford to set aside an afternoon to play, but little by little I found college students, housewives, retirees and just plain mahjong fans to play.
I drink and I knit. I met a group of friends by hanging out in bars and knitting. I met a group of women who do just that. What are the odds? If an old broad like me can do it, you young whipper snappers can too.
I must say these are truly exceptional women too. I’m blessed to have met them.
Dedicated bar knitter
I think it’s more the other way around, older Taiwanese most of the time have 0 English knowledge so they will just speak Chinese to you.
Ignore the bitter and jaded responses. Taiwan is an awesome place to live when you’re young (and, don’t worry, early 30s isn’t “too old” at all). You’ll occasionally meet foreigners who stayed in TW for too long and encountered all the problems that have been discussed on this forum ad nauseam, like low salaries and a glass ceiling for foreigners, but there’s no reason why you have to end up that way. Just make the most of your time in TW while you can.
From my experience, making friends in TW became easy as soon as I started making an effort. Going to language exchanges, meetup.com groups for activities you enjoy (there are plenty of hiking and nature-related groups), and simply meeting random people in your day-to-day life (you don’t need to force it - it will happen eventually) are all great ways to make friends. Fortunately, Taiwan is a very easy place to make friends if you’re not into drinking and nightlife. Most Taiwanese people aren’t and there are plenty of foreigners who aren’t either.
I lived in Taiwan in my late-20s and early 30s and it was the best time of my life! As somebody who generally finds it hard to make friends, I found it easy in TW once I started putting in the effort. All the best!
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There are still plenty of stubborn people who just want to speak English to.you, especially if you are white.
They kill the vibe. Doesn’t matter to them how good your Chinese is. Taiwan has a lot of Mandarin speakers that don’t actually speak standard Mandarin or switch between Taiwanese and Mandarin and that is
Was a big challenge for me in some environments . You won’t encounter this in Taipei much simply because most younger people don’t speak Taiwanese there. They don’t speak anything because they are playing with their phones. You make a joke to them.in any language and many don’t know how to respond.
Ignore people who live overseas I will tell you how it is now , most Taiwanese young people are shy and hard to get out of their shell. They are not used to talking with foreigners . They don’t have good social skills in any language. Southern European will be like a chess grandmaster in terms of social ability compared to some locals. You must push it yourself. If you are good looking and patient and smiley it will help a lot .
Coworkers and working in Taiwan is another ballgame entirely. The language is not the cause of social gaps, it’s cultural… A whole bunch of stuff .
The biggest issue is constantly being reminded you are a foreigner.
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All the stuff about being a foreigner, learning Mandarin, etc. comes with time. Reading through this thread, just remember this:
Hehe indeed it was always so.
I never knew such a thing existed. Seriously. Good for you guys. Beats smoking.
Trust me I know how this feels. I was very jaded by the time I left the first time around. But then the perspective of being away for awhile, and I got older and stopped caring so much. If someone wants to speak English so bad go for it, but if they are impeding the conversation so much and wasting my time, I’m going to tell them. Or keep asking them in Chinese if this is what they are trying to say. Or simply telling them I don’t understand what they are saying. For even the most ardent English learners, they get tired of having to clarify themselves and I get tired of them wasting my time. All my coworkers and friends are not like this and I don’t waste much time on random strangers.
Most young people don’t speak Taiwanese all over the island. For the ones that switch in Taiwanese, it tends to be basic Taiwanese which you absorb over time. Plenty of times I’ve had the taxi driver speaking Taiwanese and I respond in Mandarin.
Have the serenity to accept the things you cannot change. Every single country in east Asia is like this, and Taiwan seems to be the least dramatic compared to Korea, China, Japan. I’ll always be a foreigner so fucking what. There are ignorant people everywhere, but I see the Taiwanese getting better over time. I’m often surprised at how little difference there is in the interactions I have with friends, family, coworkers vs. back home. I am not an outsider in my social circle of family, friends, coworkers. I am the only foreigner in my office, my family, and my close friends. I know very few foreigners here, and don’t feel like an outsider in my own circle. Everyone else can piss off.
I have a similar situation but I don’t like being boxed in either. And I get very tired of being the only foreigner in most things that I do. Not only the only Westerner,. the only foreigner. It gets very tedious sometimes .
Gaelic footy mate, more foreigners than you can shake a stick at!
Not really what I mean ,just general society here. Im kind of done with it. I have many things I want to do but invariably there are a lot of roadblocks thrown up.
Most years I can fly around and get the more cosmopolitan interaction I like outside of Taiwan . Thanks for the suggestion though.
I saw this a coffee shop recently, ha.
Incredibly, nearly 40 days since I posted and I still don’t have friend nor even acquaintances, I have tried hard but people here are either too shy or they just mind their own business quite clearly…
I just want to meet people (not necessarily locals or not necessarily expats, anyone!) with interests in common, for instance I like hiking, are here no people who frequently go hiking and wouldnt accept a new member in their circles? Are people really that excluding towards others in this city? I’m on the verge of just giving up and returning to my fully covidified country before I develop depression… Taiwan seemed a very friendly and social place when I visited back in 2015 :-/ what happened ever since?
I meet so many people every week it’s really hard to schedule…
But yes I like trailrunning /fastpacking and finding people to so 2000-3000m vertical per day is a bit harder. But just casual hiking easy except for the local custom to start at freak times in the early morning/night…
I exclude people who want to speak English however, that decreases the selection a bit…
If you speak Chinese try eatgether app. (Need to set AppStore/Google Play to Taiwan)