NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
there is surely nothing–in the purest sense of the word–wrong with attacking with all means available NOT ONLY, NOT ONLY, a scummy bushiban who slandered you, but ALSO–major bonus points here–the scummy rags that got paid off to help them do it!
the term “devil’s advocate” does not extend to cover complete disregard for obvious principles of right and wrong 
[quote=“Tempo Gain”][quote=“Vannyel”]
And personally, I think there is something wrong with two guys who want to sue newspapers according to their ability to pay and seek extravagant damages…and people who encourage this type of behavior, but that’s just me.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
there is surely nothing–in the purest sense of the word–wrong with attacking with all means available NOT ONLY, NOT ONLY, a scummy buxiban who slandered you, but ALSO–major bonus points here–the scummy rags that got paid off to help them do it!
the term “devil’s advocate” does not extend to cover complete disregard for obvious principles of right and wrong [/quote]
LOL…whose ‘obvious’ principles of right and wrong??? To me it is wrong to take money you did not earn or to ask for more than your fair share…if you were out of work for 6 months and you would have made NT$100,000 a month normally then taking more than NT$600,000 is wrong, if you only would have made NT$50,000 a month then taking more than NT$300,000 is wrong. Of course, if you continued to work during this time and didn’t lose any money then it is acceptable to take the same amount you were earning. It doesn’t matter if you are suing a millionaire or a street vendor.
Two wrongs do not make a right…don’t sell your self-respect so cheaply. 
read my lips…every penny is not enough
There certainly is something wrong with character assassination of the sort the buxiban, and the papers that published their “memo,” engaged in. Yes, damages ought to reflect ability to pay. 100000NT, for example, might be a lot to the average Taiwanese. But to some individuals and companies, such a sum is spare change. Awarding damages that don’t cause some kind of hardship to the offending parties provides no disincentive for future offensesnces and is not much of a punishment.
When I first saw those original ads, I was really shocked and my opinion of Taiwan sank to all-time lows. That these foreign employees were able to sue and, conceivably, win has restored my faith in this place. It is shocking that someone could write in and condemn these individuals for fighting for what is right. Perhaps it will be your name, face and reputation roasted next. I imagine you’d sue to the fullest extent possible as well.
What is right is fine…but “you reap what you sow.”
Reap what? Responsible companies and press organizations? Great! Let’s all sow the seeds.
The possibility of litigation and the threat of costly settlement awards can only have the effect of detering future abuses like the one we have been discussing here.
Those responsible for the smear campaign need to be punished-- severely. The victims need to be compensated-- handsomely. I’d rather see the victims get rich than the culprits get off with a slap on the wrist (or, as happens too often here, without any punishement at all).
Be honest. Would you or would you not sue if something similar happened to you?
let me elaborate on my thinking here. i don’t have a problem with the idea of punitive damages exercised in a reasonable way. if say these guys had singed their lips on hot coffee provided by the buxiban or in a freak accident the whiteboard had come dislodged and conked them on the noggin, causing them to miss time at work, i would broadly agree with you.
however this is not the case. this is a case of intentional slander, and the hit men who took the contract. here, the gloves come off. if i were these guys i would be walking around the street with a smile like i hit the lotto, and not because of the money, which they’ll probably never see anyway.
not to mention, this is a blow for all foreign-kind. if you’ve spent any amount of time in Taiwan vannyel, which i kind of doubt, you’ll realize that all involved thought, ahhhh they’re just a couple of foreigners.
False. The management at the TT have repeatedly said that the target market is NOT foreigners. Evidence the toss-away Youth Central section.
And no one is behind bars for this. These sentences are convertable to a fine, about NT$900/day, if memory serves.
Tempo, why would you assume they won’t see any of the money? If they are awarded something, they will get something, even on appeal.
I’d like to know what happened to the person whose bright idea it was to create those ads over at Spontaneous Combustion Language School.
Just out of interest what were the pair alleged to have done.
Apparently the fraudsters who ran the bushibang IE con artists did not provide either of the two gentlemen with legal working visas in time and when the contract was finished,the bushibang decided to withhold all the taxes and not give it back to the victims IE steal both their money and withhold it from the Taiwanese government. Now if this has to call for punishment then the world and those living it really need to be worried.
I believe,correct me if I am wrong, but judgment in their favor,should result in prompt collection of funds.
Also,by the sounds of it,they have one of the best lawyers in Taipei,free of charge.I guess one of them is dating the daughter of the Minister of Foreign Affairs.
How did you hear “they have a free lawyer,one of the best in Taipei”?
If that’s the case,they sure have a great change of winning a lot of money.In Taiwan,you can not sue for court costs so they can just keep going and going.Which one was dating?left or right?
I’ll believe it when I see it.
What if they close the buxiban and open up a new one under a different name? Is the school under a Limited Liability or under a partnership or single owner?
Most companies operate the fly by night way and often leave suppliers holding the bag.
If it was a bigger company like WallStreet or Kojen I can see money being paid out but if it is smaller then I think it would be more practical to close down and start a new school.
I believe it is a chain school,much like kojen and Hess but smaller.I would assume the assets have been frozen.Interesting question nonetheless.
[quote=“sticks of fury”]What if they close the buxiban and open up a new one under a different name? Is the school under a Limited Liability or under a partnership or single owner?
Most companies operate the fly by night way and often leave suppliers holding the bag.
If it was a bigger company like WallStreet or Kojen I can see money being paid out but if it is smaller then I think it would be more practical to close down and start a new school.[/quote]
A minor point, but didn’t Kojen also do this? They used to be called ELSI, and then became Kojen, but the schools, employees, students and programs didn’t change.