Michael Moore goes to Cuba and gets in trouble

A report on the BBC says that Michael Moore has been asked by the US Treasury to explain himself in regards to his recent trip to Cuba.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6644845.stm

Which got me thinking. Should the govt (US in this case, but applies equally to all govts) have the right to ban people from traveling to Cuba (or any other country)? Should the rights of the individual be considered more important?

Personally, I don’t think the govt has the right to stop people from going there for whatever reason (as long as they’re not spying for Cuba, selling military info etc). If I were American, I think Cuba would be the first place I’d go just because the govt says I can’t.

What do you all think?

NB - This is NOT meant to be a discussion on Michael Moore, his films, his political views, Castro, communism etc. Debate that elsewhere. This is simply - should the govt be allowed to ban it’s citizens from travel to a country it disagrees with.

Why don’t people ask the obvious question? - Not you cfimages.

Was that cigar that entered said intern a Cuban? Surely that there is the real scandal! Why doesn’t anyone ask? Did the prez smoke Cuban cigars in the Oval Office? If not, what were his crap substitutes?

HG

cfimages wrote: [quote]Personally, I don’t think the govt has the right to stop people from going there for whatever reason (as long as they’re not spying for Cuba, selling military info etc). [/quote]
Like you I agree that folks should be allowed to travel to any countries they want. Of course, we should remember here that Cubans can not travel overseas without government permission (i.e. if they are not part of a sporting or cultural group, they are shit out of luck).

Like you I agree that folks should be allowed to travel to any countries they want. Of course, we should remember here that Cubans can not travel overseas without government permission (i.e. if they are not part of a sporting or cultural group, they are shit out of luck).[/quote]

So many similarities … but remember: when the Us does it, it’s for the good of the country!

I oh so want you to live there!

I oh so want you to live there![/quote]

I did. It wasn’t too bad. I lived in Florida.

The law is the law. The NY Yankees (pretty sure it was them) got smacked with a very large fine for violation of this same law, just a few years ago.

Personally, I favor trade with Cuba. Conquest by Capitalism! Death to Tyrants!

Stray “Castro is a hero and genius” Dog wrote: [quote]So many similarities … [/quote]

Hardly. America restricts its citizens from visiting one small country (and I believe this is wrong) but Cuba restricts its citizens from visiting anywhere.
Cuba really is a nasty little shit hole. My goodness, the poor bastards living there don’t even have free access to the internet.
If you want to fly the socialist flag, why not plant it somewhere more successful such as Sweden (at least they have lots of big tittie blonde women).

As a firm believer in the free movement of people, I agree that Cuba restricting their citizens from traveling is worse than the US govt restricting their citizens from going to Cuba.

But, in interests of fairness, shouldn’t the US have restrictions on travel to China and Vietnam as well? After all, they’re communist too, and China is much more likely to be a threat to the US than Cuba.

cfimages wrote: [quote]But, in interests of fairness, shouldn’t the US have restrictions on travel to China and Vietnam as well?[/quote]
Obviously, there is a lack of consistency here, but clearly the smart thing to do would be to lift restrictions on travel to Cuba. I’m also for lifting the trade embargo.

No. Restricting travel goes against the principles of liberty that the US was founded on.

Just wondering about domestic travel restrictions. Do you need permission to visit Native American areas in the US and Canada?

Good point about the trade embargo - end Castro’s reign with Wal-mart.

That’s assuming that the US’s policy towards Cuba has anything to do with the “threat” it poses instead of appeasing a rabid anti-Castro faction in a presidential swing state.

[quote=“almas ‘ignorant fat cunt’ john”]

Hardly. America restricts its citizens from visiting one small country (and I believe this is wrong) but Cuba restricts its citizens from visiting anywhere.
Cuba really is a nasty little shit hole. My goodness, the poor bastards living there don’t even have free access to the internet.
If you want to fly the socialist flag, why not plant it somewhere more successful such as Sweden (at least they have lots of big tittie blonde women).[/quote]

Who’s flying the socialist flag? Dear, dear, dear … feeling the need to pigeonhole are we? Life too complicated? Too scary? Do try to get a bigger picture. I did (I used to believe the same crap you still do).

:wink:

You can try calling me that to my face next time you see me.

Obviously, there is a lack of consistency here, but clearly the smart thing to do would be to lift restrictions on travel to Cuba. I’m also for lifting the trade embargo.[/quote]

I should be able to travel to any damn place I want. The country in question has every right to refuse me entry though.

The embargo of Cuba is stupid. Castro is a buttplug. Let’s flood them with capitalism and see what rises to the surface.

You can try calling me that to my face next time you see me.[/quote]
Right, you pair. Handbags on the floor! NOW! You’ll be doing each other an injury!
Stray Dog, you’re out of line.

Geraldine is part Swedish; her non-return valve and tube-o-lube were both manufactured in Sweden.

BroonAir

You know, thinking about it, Geraldine sounds awfully like ione of those post-op tranny names, like Roberta, Chris-tina, etc.

Just a thought.

Did dog boy really try to bite almas? I don’t believe it for a second. I mean why would two stout Commonwealth lads be getting themselves into a lather about yank madness?

HG