Mister Donut


#121

True. However, they do love bitter crap too.

Um - deep-fried dough with sugar is at EVERY nightmarket. Been that way for years, too. It’s an old Chinese snack similar to a doughnut, but way more oil. I never bothered to remember the name because I am not a fan of 'em.

Then there’s the wonderfully unexpected popularity of Mexican Churros that has been around Taiwan for a while (at least 7 years): deep fried, sugared and with some Cinammon too.

I think it’s simply the Taiwanized version and it’s done half-assed: like french fries NEVER crunchy at ANY MacDonalds or KFC on the island (there’s NO difference - even when freshly cooked!), twice-cooked KFC (or, worse: “KLG” if you live in the ghettos of Taiwan), their local political parties and versino of “democracy,” sweet spaghetti sauces, bland ketchsup, Kirin and TsingDao beers that taste NOTHING like their original formula (and are deliberately f’d up for local tastebuds - though I wonder if any local ever really asked for the changes: I doubt it), “milk” that is really reconstituted powdered milk with SUGAR (ANY Uni-President milk), sugar-fied gatorade/pocari wannabe Super Supau, sugar-added mouth wash (wtf!!!?!!!), sugar added to regular loaves of bread, Coke and Pepsi with MORE syrup tar but less sweet, soggy tater totts (Domino’s), black tar people drink called “Whispby” that - if foreign and drunk - could easily be read as “Whiskey” :loco:

The list goes on.

I actually think a lot of it is NOT because locals ask, but simply one jackass assuming the others want it that way.

Things Taiwan got right when making local versions:
preference for Japanese porn over western
better topping options at their Domino’s (as opposed to those in the United nake - Domino’s H. Q.)
Sars - the saspirilla/root beer
Their “lactic” drinks that are as good as the imports.
Lin Fong milk and drinking yogurt
7-11 take out versions of local lunchboxes
shabu shabu
Scooters
Crash helmets
Vitali (crack that tastes better than smoking :smiling_imp: )
two networks that show tons of Japanese pro wrestling


#122

:noway:
You’re being too liberal. More like 95-100% sugar water!


#123

[quote=“Hobart”][quote=“LittleBuddhaTW”]If the Dunkin’ Donuts in Beijing has no problems, I don’t see why they couldn’t give it a shot in Taiwan.[/quote] There use to be Dunkin donuts in Taiwan and it went out of business. Beijing has more tourists and foreign residents so they can keep at least one Dunkin Donuts in business.

Maoman: Nothing in Taiwan is as sweet as a US Dunkin Donut Chocolate frosted and Chocolate creme Filled donut without a hole. How about a jelly donut with powdered sugar. Come on. Cakes in Taiwan are not that sweet, especially their pineapple cakes and mooncakes. How about an American Moon Pie. Two sugar cookies sandwiching mashmellow covered in sweet chocolate on all sides. It is true Maoman, you must realize that. The bread is sweet here at times, but nothing like the kind of swet you get from a Hostess cupcake or HoHo, or Hostess Cherry pie covered in sugar glaze, etc.[/quote]

:loco:

Can you possibly grasp at more straws and make excuses for anything else?

“Well Beijing has more foreingers…”

Cop out! :fume:

Did Da-bien -er “Ah-Bien” hire you for his political advisor yet?


#124

Um - deep-fried dough with sugar is at EVERY nightmarket. Been that way for years, too. It’s an old Chinese snack similar to a doughnut, but way more oil. I never bothered to remember the name because I am not a fan of 'em.[/quote]

Yes, that’s actually the only example I could think of, and it’s not even that sweet, IMO - it’s mostly oily, and so are the churros that I’ve had. What I meant is that there isn’t much in the basic culture both fatty and sugary and even less in the way of what I would call ‘rich’ - unlike the huge range we have in the West - cakes, pastries, cookies, chocolate, premium ice-cream etc. Non-oily, yet full of sugar and fat. I’m not exactly sure what kind of donuts ‘Mr Donut’ are, but to me a real donut is not too oily, but rich. I agree they’re probably not THAT different from the Taiwanese version that they couldn’t acquire a taste for them though.

I do think they could still sell the ‘original’ donuts for a while and see whether people actually took to them rather than jumping in too quickly to localise them. However, it seems to me Taiwan hasn’t yet reached the stage where local people are demanding ‘authenticity’ rather than ‘something that tastes like what we’re used to’ which is the way it happens everywhere to begin with, I suppose.


#125

Ric “The Wildman” Flair,: How long have you been here? Ever heard anyone say in Chinese (Can you even understand Chinese?? I am guessing that you cannot.) “This sweet is delicious, its not too sweet.” Now, when you are moving your big Ric Flair beer gut around Taipei lookin for eats, ever tried the wonderful looking desserts in the coffee shops. They look great, but they have NO FLAVOR and are not SWEET at all. They suck. But Taiwan people like them that way. I have made desserts for my Taiwanese family and friends, they think they are too sweet. I see this all of the time around Taipei.

Please tell me what in Taiwan is sweeter than a Chocolate Creme filled and powdered Dunkin Donut? Taiwan people are not accostumed to eating the disgustingly sweet desserts that we have in the west.

You can say their food is greasy, or their cops are lazy good for nuthins, but to say the Taiwanese people would like the same type of donuts we have in the USA (Dunkin Donuts) then you are WRONG. They were alrteady here and they already went out of business. In Beijing now, my assessment is CORRECT, there are more tourists and foreigners there, so it is easier to support a Dunkin Donuts. Furthermore, how many Mr. Donuts in Japan have you been too? Mr. Donuts is not the same in terms of sweetness as Dunkin Donuts in the USA. Perhaps I am wrong about the the flavors being the same in Japan and Taiwan has I haven’t been to the ones in Taiwan, but if they make some funky flavors it is for the Taiwanese, not for you and yes they like those flavors. You think they can’t copy American style donuts. Shit, that is definitely what the Chinese do best, COPY! They don’t like them they think they are too sweet. Do you have any Taiwanese friends, ask them, and not just the ones that have spent 10 years abroad. The majority of Taiwan people don’t like disgustingly sweet American style desserts. They think they are too sweet. Which they are, I still love them myself though.

Damn trash talkin washed up old WWF wrestler in the forum now. Taiwan is really getting mainstream now.


#126

I think 4-hour lines could count as “took to them”. And the Japanese stores, afaik, don’t reduce the amount of frosting on the donuts or carry red bean donuts.

Mister Donut cannot possibly hope to compete with local enterprises on their own products. If they want to stay in business they are going to have to push their original selling point, i.e. what makes them different and worth going to over the food stall down the block.

As for all-out sweetness, I think there are different kinds of sweet. I personally think that some mooncakes and candies here are as sweet or sweeter than Dunkin’ Donuts, but it’s a different, more oily kind of sweet. Also, donuts are meant to be eaten with milk or coffee to balance out the sweetness. Have you noticed that every single Mister Donut so far is located right next door to a Starbucks?


#127

I think the lines are less because they are opening more. Saw one at New York New York yesterday. Even without lines down the block, I am sure they will not only survive but prosper. Too bad the donuts are for locals, I would also love to see a Dunkin Donuts in Taiwan, but then that could be dangerous too…wouldn’t be any room on the subway with all of those fat foreigners. Hahaha…


#128

Don’t get all high and mighty.

I hear Taiwanese say all manner of things and jsut because it’s said doesn’t mean jack.

The only people I’ve hear d complain about sweets were well over 40.

Hardly a representation of the entire island.

That tends to be a generation who believes in drinking “medicine” even when they’re not sick - and hten die off from nasty stomach cancer.

Kind of ironic if you ask me.

Since you’re the self-appointed patron saint of knowing all that is Taiwan (read: yo useem to be wrong a lot of the time) I’ll ignore your attempt at an insult, but I will quote Jim Kelly from ENTER THE DRAGON and say, “man, your’e like some cat out of a comic book.”

The average white bread found in most bakeries!

I’m right, but hey - if yo uwant to be the frog in the well, well…

The point most of us here on planet earth are trying to make is that the companies don’t try to offer an alternative and second guess what the cretins want.

Kind of like what you’re doing by being the self-appointed knowitall about Taiwan.

Your digression doesn’t begin to explain your completely WRONG statement about “people in Asia.”

Spock, just because you use logic doesn’t mean you’re right.

it doesn’t mean you’re wrong.

it just means you’re applying logic that doesn’t make sense.

I guaran-damn-tee ya that 90-98% of the customers in Beijing’s Mister F’n Donut are CHINESE.

Again - you’re back peddling and trying to cover your tracks after doign a bit of embarassing stereotyping of “people in Asia.”

Backpeddle all you want but my point was made, and add ot that no ammount of hyperbole that you post will cover up that fact.

So, without using the exact words - you’re admitting that you’re talking about something you haven’t experienced first hand…
:loco:

Nice way to ASSUME. You made an ass out of you and Uma Therman. :loco:

Says the self-appointed voice of Taiwan.

Hey, Don Qioxte, is Sancho Panza riding with you when you defend the people against windmills, oops - DRAGONS?

If pointing out you were wrong and making general assumptions about the ENTIRE REGION (i. e. Asia) and then outed you for not even having been to a JAPANESE Mister Donut to back up your high-and-mighty (read: wrong too) statements - is “trash talking,” then I’d hate to see what you call “straight talk.”

As for WWF - I was NWA, jabroni. I was in WWE for a year - got - out and came back when WWE bought WCW.

Of course, as someone who states thigns as definitive thoug hthey are faulty and often factless assertions without firsthand ,empircal evidence - you wouldn’t know those basic facts.

“Washed up” and loving every minute of it.

Class dismissed. :raspberry:


#129

Ric Flair, don’t waste so much energy debating with Hobart. He’s not living on the same planet as most of us … and it’s a discussion about donuts for chrissakes … let him live in his own fantasy world of what “Taiwan people” think.


#130

At least he didn’t say “The 23 million Taiwan people”.


#131

A few weeks ago I walked past the Breeze Center. I saw people standing in a long line in the stairwell going down to the cinema. Naturally I assumed they were standing in line for movie tickets. Curious, I walked down the stairs. Turns out they were waiting in line for DONUTS. There’s a Mister Donut in the courtyard there.

I’ve passed by several times, and each time, without fail - even during the daytime when people are supposedly at work - people are standing in a long line there…to buy donuts.

WTF? They’re not even Krispy Kremes! WHY THE LONG LINES FOR SUCH ORDINARY, COMMON THINGS??


#132

Actually, I am in the mood for a nice simple glazed doughnut. And a glass of milk. Mmm…


#133

Damn, I walked past NYNY a hour ago…forgot.


#134

Thanks, Lbtw. Slick Ric knows not to take the jabroni too seriously.

It is pretty pathetic, however, that I quite enjoyed outing him for speaking out of his, well as they say on his planet “pigu”.

Best wishes! :bravo:


#135

Well, I was wrong about “Mister Donut” opening a shop in Banqiao. Apparently, it’s Mister Donut’s first rip-off … it’s called “Mr. Don’s Donuts,” same lettering, design, colors, and also a “Chinese-Japanese collaboration.” It’s pretty much exactly like Mister Donut, and there was a huge line. Fortunately, I got there 40 minutes before they opened at noon (I was bored), so I was one of the first in line, but about 30 minutes before they opened, a huge swarm of people arrived, many of which were old women who had no idea what they wanted when they got inside which held up the line considerably. I’d say they’re just as sweet as American donuts (except for maybe the curry donut they have), but about half the size. They’re not bad, but it’s not worth the wait, and not worth listening to all the old women gabbing at full volume, kids screaming, and women bragging to each other how they come EVERY day and wait in line for several hours to buy donuts. :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:


#136

Anyone know if it’s the same people who partnered-up for both? Are they both 7-11 (Uni-President)?


#137

Absolutely right. They are. Starbucks and Mr Donut and Cosmed and 7-11 and Carrefour too I believe are all President joint ventures.


#138

Actually they are different.

It may be conspiratorial, but it isn’t in the way you may think it is.
:slight_smile:


#139

No surprise there. I defy you to find a business that isn’t right next door to a Starbucks! :slight_smile:


#140

Actually they are different.

It may be conspiratorial, but it isn’t in the way you may think it is.
:slight_smile:[/quote]

actually they are. starbucks mister donut, cosmed, 7-11 and carrefour are all under the financial umbrella of uni-president