Morality, Pedophilia and International law

It seems to me that American residents of Thailand would be exempt from the extraterritoriality provision, since they did not travel for illicit purposes.

And “child marriage” does not even figure into the statute. (Age-of-consent lists can be misleading, since most states allow a lower age if the couple is married–perhaps subject to approval by a judge, or if the bride is pregnant.)

I am fascinated with the problem of determining under what circumstances a marriage contracted in one country is valid in another. For example, if one country allows the bride to be nine, and then the couple move to the U.S., what happens–does the state take her away and call child services, or do they respect the other country’s decision?

In some countries there might be confusion over the recognition of polygamous marriages. Even in the U.S., which doesn’t recognize them, I wonder what happen if Sheikh X marries bride A, marries bride B, divorces bride A, moves to the USA, bride B files for divorce, and then Sheikh X objects that U.S. law does not recognize that marriage, since he was already married to A at the time of his “marriage” to B.

And what if one is “married” through a popular ritual, without signing anything at city hall? And then one person says it was a wedding, and the other says it was just an ordinary banquet? They changed the law on that here in Taiwan last year (no registration, no marriage) but…in Thailand, if you tie your hands together and take photos, that’s still considered proof of marriage, no?

On another subject, I wonder about the disparate treatment accorded to Americans who join various foreign militaries. “Johnny Jihad” joined what he thought was the army of the legitimate government of Afghanistan, only to be charged with treason or terrorism or something by the invading Americans (who tortured him, and now ban him from studying the Qur’an in prison). Meanwhile, lots of Israelis have American citizenship too, yet still serve in the Israeli army. Why isn’t the government sending THEM to special camps?

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CAuse they live in one already.

Just getting back to the original issue (great topic btw), this kind of universal jurisdiction also applies to other heinous crimes, such as slavery, torture, genocide, piracy, etc. ANY state is entitled to extend their jurisdiction beyond their borders based on this range of wrongs. If Canada thinks child sex tourism is on the same level as those other crimes, then it should be able to prosecute their citizens extra-territorially.

I think one of the more problematic aspects of the law is the fact that Canada is infringing on, say, Cambodia’s sovereignty by going in and arresting the mofo who’s raping the kids.

Well, Canada can prosecute its own citizens for whatever it wants, but what about applying extraterritorial laws to other countries’ citizens? Iran condemned British citizen Salman Rushdie to death for blasphemy. And Germany has demanded the extradition of neo-Nazis from other EU countries for crimes like, having a right-wing website that Germans could look at. In form, these are similar.

Yeah, that’s just wrong.

Welcome to the new world order.
It may be legal to film such subjects, but it pertains to the other 2 topics

Of course kiddie beauty contests have been doing this for years.

The inappropriate marketing for “Cuties” stands in contrast to the film itself, which has been largely praised by film critics for handling Amy’s coming-of-age experience with sensitivity. Doucouré uses her “Cuties” storyline to openly criticize the ways in which society puts pressure on young girls to be overtly sexual.
As IndieWire’s Kate Erbland noted in her “Cuties” review out of Sundance, “The girls are preparing to enter a dance contest, and an appearance by their great rivals (the Sweety-Swaggs) lays out what’s to come: The Swaggs are older, more developed, more sexualized, and their moves reflect that. The Cuties certainly don’t understand that even the elder Swaggs are at the mercy of a hyper-sexualized culture and its demands, and that there’s something deeply wrong with a teenager taking her top off in the middle of dance video.”

https://www.salon.com/2020/08/20/netflix-apologizes-for-inappropriate-cuties-poster-amid-outrage-over-sexualizing-children_partner/

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I’m sure a lot of viewers will miss the nuance and just watch it for the kiddie porn.

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Wait…pedophilia is a religion? :thinking:

@MikeN1 above has already brought this up, but it should be emphasized that Netflix’s marketing seems to be the ones who have really messed up here. It looks like the film is all about criticizing the sexualization of kids, but that poster is … not doing that. Or if it’s trying to do so, it’s at a dangerous level of meta.

Twitter discussion here:

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“It’s okay, bots can answer literally any question!” :grinning: :robot: :rainbow:

They can, but not all bots are equal. They should have hired Discobot, if only they could afford it.

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Yeah, Netflix screwed things up big time.

I don’t think they screwed up. Now people are talking about the movie, I’ve even seen memes made about it. And wherever there’s mention of it there’s first the outrage, then the explanation: hypersexualization of teenage girls is exactly what the movie is criticizing. And now people want to check the movie out. All my money is on it being a well-thought publicity stunt.

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I hardly think the movie maker will be seeing her “career destroyed” either.

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Turned on Netflix and saw “Cuties” on the list of new releases. Was open-minded and contrarian to give it a shot. Just finished watching what turned out to be a steaming pile of crap.

Seemed like it was going somewhere, but never did. Most of the kids’ dancing was far too obscene and overtly sexualized that it distracted from any substance. Sure, some content tangentially addressed issues of religion, plural marriage, immigration, social/economic inequality, menarche, peer pressure, and children’s (mis)use of social media. However, the major takeaway was a horrible taste in the mouth (metaphorically) and confused skepticism of the producers’ actual intent.

:nauseated_face::nauseated_face::nauseated_face::nauseated_face::nauseated_face: five pukes out of five.

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Learned a word today!

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Thankfully a friend warned me about “Cuties”, so I didn’t watch it.

It was enough for me to cancel my Netflix subscription.