Mt. everest base camp?

The idea of trekking to Mt. Everest base camp came up recently.

Has anyone here done this trip? I see most organized expeditions go in September or April/May.

Of course, being the cocky adventuring type, I fantasize of organizing the trek myself (i.e., minimal reliance on tourist companies). However, I realize the smart thing would be to book with a full-service tour. ARe there alternatives to this?

So, any recommendations - trek companies, itineries, must-see sites, tips - would be greatly appreciated. And if anyone wants to go …

You won’t get the permits doing it yourself – or if you do, they’ll cost a fortune and will take months of farting around to get – that’s why people travel though tour groups. Everest base camp is an absolute shithole, too – literally. The whole place really does smell like a big outdoor toilet. Hardly surprising, when you consider that that is precisely what it is. It’s really not a nice place to visit at all, and you’ll be completely looked down upon and viewed as pests by the real climbers in whose way you’ll be getting. Not a very nice atmosphere at all - VERY cliquish.
I’d do a bit more research first if I were you – there are FAR, FAR nicer and more exciting trekking destinations than Everest.

Duly noted. That seems to be my impression from some of the accounts I’ve been reading. I guess the best way would be to try and avoid when all the tour groups go, but then there are probably very good reasons - weather, etc. - they go when they do.

Any other places of interest? I know very little about trekking on this side of the world. I’ve done a moderate amount of reading on Mongolia and China.

I haven’t been to the Himalaya ever. Last serious climbing I did was in Pakistan and that was many years ago.
Google is your friend – “nepal trekking” would be a good place to start.

Look into trekking in the Indian Himmalayas.

I was there a couple of years ago and it was fantastic.

Stay on a houseboat in Kashmir for a day or two and then trek for between 3 days and 3 weeks.

I might be able to dig up the info from the place I did it through. They were great.

Actually, the place I went back in the early 80’s – the 6,000 metre Trango Towers in the Karakoram range – is a pretty good trek. Up the Baltoro Glacier to K2 base camp is a popular one these days, I believe. It’s a bit of a walk though and was extremely rough going back then. Getting to the starting point of Skardu can also be a bit of a headache. But Baltistan has to be seen to be believed.

Must agree with Sandy on this one, much nicer area without the same number of visitors etc that Everest gets, and thereby without much of the crap that comes from them, Base Camp during the summer is not pleasant.

[quote=“sandman”]Everest base camp is an absolute shithole, too – literally. The whole place really does smell like a big outdoor toilet. Hardly surprising, when you consider that that is precisely what it is. It’s really not a nice place to visit at all, and you’ll be completely looked down upon and viewed as pests by the real climbers in whose way you’ll be getting. Not a very nice atmosphere at all - VERY cliquish.
I’d do a bit more research first if I were you – there are FAR, FAR nicer and more exciting trekking destinations than Everest.[/quote]

That’s my understanding too. I got the impression people mostly go to Everest base camp so they can say they went to Everest base camp, but there are lots of better treks including the Annapurna Circuit, which is what I did.

That was an outstanding trek. Hiked every day for 3 weeks, hiking completely around Annapurna and crossing over a pass at 17,800 feet. The scenery is fantastic, starting at lower elevation with trees and vegetation, through small villages, crossing hanging metal bridges over roaring rivers, and staying for the night in the countless simple lodges along the way that offer food, water, an outhouse, and if you’re lucky a hot shower (but not always). Of course one gradually gains elevation, till you’re completely surrounded by massive snowy peaks. I’ve done lots of mountain climbing in peaks up to 14,000 or so, in Colorado, California, etc, but there’s nothing like the Himalayas. Those mountains are immense.

You’ll meet lots of nice folks from around the world who are on exactly the same trek as you are and you’ll get to know some of them fairly well as you’ll be on the same trail and staying in the same lodges. Some hire guides or porters, but if you’re reasonably fit and competent that’s not necessary. I was hiking with a Nepali kid I met in Kathmandu who wanted to join me on the trek, but I was his guide more than the other way around, as he was a city boy who knew nothing about altitude and I equipped him before we left Kathmandu.

It’s not uncommon at all for people to die on Annapurna or suffer injuries or altitude sickness for which they have to be helicoptered out, and as we were heading up lots of folks were hiking down the other way and as they passed us they told us, “you’ll never make it. the snow’s too deep. Might as well turn around now.” Later we met a few sherpas who were drinking and singing in a lodge one night and tried to get me to join them in their joyous festivities (though I was far too tired to do so). It turned out they had been sent up there on a trek to find the body of a climber who had died.

We didn’t listen to the foreign naysayers heading back but continued on, figuring we had to give it our best shot and if we eventually learned we couldn’t make it we would turn around then. As we gained altitude, we took greater and greater precautions as instructed to avoid deadly altitude sickness (primarily drinking lots and lots of water and climbing higher every day than where we would sleep, which usually meant ditching the backpack in the lodge and climbing up a big hill and back) and we all had our altitude sickness pills.

As we got a few days from the high 17,800 ft pass it snowed every day, which made it incredibly beautiful, but also made it appear that the others had been right and it would be impossible to cross over the top. We got one stop closer and one stop closer, then we had to stay a second night at one stop due to the snow and the whole thing was extremely borderline (though that one extra night helped greatly to avoid altitude sickness). But in the end we totally lucked out as the snow stopped for a few days and we were able to pass over through the fabulous snowy mountains.

Although it was usually very warm hiking in the sunshine through the snow, as we got very near the pass, it got exceptionally cold at night even with long underwear, socks and a hat inside a good sleeping bag. The morning we crossed the high pass, we all woke about 4 am. You have to leave that early to be sure you’ll make it over and down to hte village on the other side. Of course it was pitch dark and you start up the extremely steep face of the mountain with flashlights. I don’t believe any of us had ice axes or crampons, but it was extremely steep and one had to be very careful. It was also extremely difficult breathing and we stopped often to catch our breaths.

We made it over the top and, while I’ve been on lots of mountain tops, this was without a doubt by far the most spectacular. This is not my pic, but this is what you’re hiking through and I have many comparable pics.

Then sliding down the other side was a blast and when we arrived at the village we were all totally exuberant. We had done it. Although we had talked of finally drinking a beer again when we got down there (or smoking some of the pot that we’d picked near the beginning of the trek), it was still way too high (above 16,000 ft) and we were too exhausted to do so, instead just happily recuperating. The next day down we felt a little stronger, and by the 3d or 4th day down the other side (or maybe 5th) we came to this fantastic lodge with natural thermal hot springs one could bathe in and great baked goods. Wow was that great. Then down, down, down, one tiny village after another till we finally reached Pokhara, with it’s lake and the phenomenal view of this mountain.

After eating heartily in Pokhara, one takes a bus back to hot, crowded, polluted, but colorful and exotic Kathmandu. The Annapurna Trek is fantastic (especially if you’re lucky enough that the weather and your health will permit you to make the full circuit), but there are lots of other great hikes in Nepal. Go for it.

I trekked in Nepal in 1990. I lived there for 6months with a Tibetan family in Kathmandu. Took a bus to Pokhara, flew to Jumla and walked to Rara lake and on to the Chinese border above Simikote. It ook about a month to get there. Got snowed in in Simikote, caught last overloaded plane to Nepal Gunge and then an 18hr bus ride back to kathmandu.

I don’t know if you can still trek in the area anymoe due to the Maoists. I remember at the time we had to bring all of our own food as it was a ‘food’ deficit area. I would have died were it not for a bottle of Maggie hot & sweet as there is only so much dahl bhat w/out seasoning that one can eat. Later when we trekked a bit around Simikote, the areas is a bit richer so we got some potatoes boiled with salt - I thought it was manna from heaven. I even snagged a piece of homemade blood sausage (from one of those high altitude blue mountain sheep). I hate blood sausage, espcially when it gets cut from what looks like a pile of steaming entrails in a wok, but it tasted soooo goood. When we got snowed in, it was thanksgiving so we bought some chickens. We were squemish and our porters were bhuddist (sherpas) so it was a bit difficult slaughtering the chickens. One got away and the town was so offended byt the thought that a paid for chicken escaped, they beat the bushes to capture it again. It was remote enough so that people said “ghost!” when we would walk into some towns and people asked me if I could use my binolculars to see in their stomach as it hurt. Took 2 baths the entire time - once in a glacier stream - f that was cold. Once in a hot spring. The local ladies were bathing and they all took off dripping and covered in soap when we showed up. In the lower altitude areas there were the 10’ pot plants (you could only get a headache) the locals fed to the livestock when they got diarrhea.

catch this - there is a group in Simikote where all the brothers marry the same girl so that the land doesn’t get divided. Must suck to be the youngest - talk about sloppy seconds.

I haven’t been back since 1991 - so my guess Kathmandue & Nepal have changed quite a bit - but definetly go!

I trekked to the Annapurna base camp in Sept 1997. That was pretty amazing. I think it took about a week or so, but there’s a longer way back you can take that adds a couple of days if you want, and there’s a nice hot spring that a lot of trekkers spend an extra day at.

For EBC, you might want to consider going to the northern base camp, which is in Tibet. I’ve stayed in Tingri, which is the jump-off point for the base camp, and the views there of Everest, Cho Oyo etc are stunning. I didn’t make it out to the base camp, as I didn’t have the correct permit from the Chinese PSB, and getting the permit would have required 2 days driving in each direction to arrange, which was too much hassle. There are some great, shorter treks just outside Lhasa, although you won’t see Everest. I was in Tibet in Sept 2001, the weather is great at that time of year.

And in Oct 2002, I did a 6 day trek out of Darjeeling, India, where we headed along the India/Nepal border. Stunning scenery - Kanchenjunga (3rd highest mountain in the world) is very close by, but you can see all the way to Everest (which is actually over 100km away).






Apologies for the image quality, they’re only low-res film scans. All pics are from the last trek I mentioned. I haven’t got any shots of the other treks online. The second-last image is the family we stayed with in a little valley called Gorkey that is truly out of this world.

It was really fun reading your posts everyone. Brought back memories. I hiked to the Annapurna base camp, but didn’t do the Jomson Circuit. Doing that sounds fantastic. One of our party got altitude sickness and had to come down to the Machepuchure (know that is msp’d) camp to recover. Nothing more than nausea, headache and he was better after a day at the lower altitude.

I got to Nepal via Tibet. Flew into Lhasa. While on the plane all the blood vessels in my left eye hemorrhaged and so the white of my eye was solid red. Looked very funky, and I think it scared more than a few locals. I think I got a bit of altitude sickness there, and definitely got a bad case of food poisoning. Spent the night before the jeep trek across Tibet to Nepal either throwing up or having horrendous diarrhea.

We drove to the Buddhist monastery near Mt. Everest on the north side. I hiked up to the base camp. Not a big deal from the monastery. Very impressive glacier, very impressive valley leading to the glaciers - full of rounded rock of all sizes. Suppose the glacier movement over the years had caused the rock to become rounded rubble. This was all in 1993, so I guess things have changed. At that time, however, it was not a toilet as the Nepali side has been described. I don’t even believe there were any climbing expeditions.

One unique thing occurred or rather was missed on my trip across Tibet. We arrived in the Panchen Lama’s city the day after a new Panchen Lama had been coronated. So, the monasteries had been freshly painted, and new drapes, new decor was still up. It was amazing - what is the name of the second largest city in Tibet - it escapes me now.

Edit: Shigatze

Anyway, thanks for the descriptions of your treks. They sound amazing.

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