Looks as if Mursi won in a close one (51 to 49). Will be interesting to see how this impacts Egypt’s tourism industry, especially on the Sinai (which used to be full of Israeli tourists in Dahab and Sharm-El-Sheikh). It will also be interesting to see how the Copts react. The military should watch closely and intervene if the new president starts spouting this bullshit (video before the election):
Well at least all the bloodshed was worth it.
One relatively free election which will probably never occur again, and the march on to a Islamic theocracy.
Next step is relatively obvious to me.
The army will eventually stage a coup.
Option number 2 is that their will be more attacks on Israel out of the Sinai. Egypt cannot control this, as troops would be in violation of the peace treaty. There army is also not very effective at the moment anyway.
Only option will be for Israel to move in to defend itself against attacks.
This will make the Europeans and UN happy as they can name the Israelis, aggressors.
The secretary general might even jizz in his pants.
I guess they’ll have to say goodbye to the tourism income they were used to get in the past … at least until they’ve proven to be open to it.
And possibly a couple of billion $$$ a year in aid from the US.
Don’t like them.
One of them spat in my coffee in Acre in 1981.
Might have been an accident (he and a load of his [strike]mates[/strike] brothers were indulging in a bit of over-excited Jihadist chanting-at-the-infidel at the time), but the PLO kicked thier ass anyway. 
At the time, the Brotherhood were regarded by most Palestinians, and certainly by the mostly secular, east-bloc trained PLO, as a bit of a joke.
Not so funny now. 
Any ijjit can see that Pox Americana’s heavy, bloodied hand is driving moderate Arabs into the arms of extremists in droves. No wonder you are so desperate to recruit moderate westerners onto your side of the holy war.
Winston, if you knew anything about history, you would know the Egyptians are anything but moderate.
Three wars of aggression against Israel definitely does not suggest moderation.
Anwar Sadat was assassinated because he made peace with Israel.
The only reason there was, what has best been described as cold peace, was because Murubak kept the extremist in check.
The aid given to Egypt by the US was on condition they keep the peace.
Does this sound like moderate Arabs to you?
I won’t mention the recent church attacks in Egypt.
Tell you what, I will save you a post. There attacks were obviously a false flag operation by the US and the Zionists. Right?
[quote=“bigduke6”]Does this sound like moderate Arabs to you?
I won’t mention the recent church attacks in Egypt.[/quote]
Doing so would be inconvenient for your argument: what is the nationality of those Coptic Christians? Of all those people who stood with them after the attacks on the church during the demonstrations?
A little granularity, if you please. Devil’s in the details.
Jaboney, you know exactly what I mean.
The copts were attacked by the Muslims who are the majority in Egypt. Not exactly moderate.
How many exactly stood by them? There is systematic persecution of the Christian minority in Egypt. Do you deny this?
Put forward a decent argument or go back to the kids table.
Given the Copts’ economic power relative to their small population size, it will be interesting to see if Mursi further hurts Egypt’s economy by charging non-Muslim Arabs such as Copts with a jizya tax as he has stated in the past.
They are screwing the tourism industry, if they break relations with Israel they are losing billions in US aid, and they are potentially screwing 10% of their own population.
Unless they become pragmatic overnight, such actions by the Brotherhood could lead to a coup (and rightfully so).
[quote=“bigduke6”]Jaboney, you know exactly what I mean.
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Put forward a decent argument or go back to the kids table.[/quote]I know what you wrote.
I know what I wrote.
Be a good fellow and write sensibly; save the straw men for the fields.
[quote=“bigduke6”]The copts were attacked by the Muslims who are the majority in Egypt. Not exactly moderate.[/quote]You realize you’re effectively adopting the definition offered by the most radical Islamists?
Egyptian = Muslim = radical.
Ridiculous.
Which party won the Egyptian elections pray tell?
In the first round of voting, 30% of Egyptian voters cast a ballot for the Brotherhood.
The run off round of voting was between an old regime thug and a member of the Brotherhood.
- Not a great pair of options.
- The vote was something like 48.5% to 51.5%.
Hardly a monolithic block.
By your logic, all Canadians are rednecks because the Conservative Party won a plurality in the last election; all Americans are pinko crypto-Muslims because Obama won a majority… and eight years ago, all Americans were ignorant warmongering torturers because Bush won.
Silly.
Not silly at all. The election result represents the will of the majority of the population. This cannot be argued at all.
Now go and do some studying about the Freedom and Justice Party, and the Brotherhood.
The majority of Canadians who voted support the policies of the party in power. If a policy of the Canadian Conservative party, is that we are all rednecks, then I would say the majority of Canadians support this position. I do however, doubt this was one of their policies?
The same for the Americans or any other country for that matter. This is logical.
Wrong again. A majority of voters chose Option A or Option B. That is not an explicit endorsement of policy: it’s a choice between set alternatives.
What would you choose: torturous military dictatorship, or untried religious party? Are you consenting to be defined by that choice?
The world’s more complex than your two-tone paint-by-numbers schema acknowledges.
Wrong again. A majority of voters chose Option A or Option B. That is not an explicit endorsement of policy: it’s a choice between set alternatives.
What would you choose: torturous military dictatorship, or untried religious party? Are you consenting to be defined by that choice?
The world’s more complex than your two-tone paint-by-numbers schema acknowledges.[/quote]
I believe there were sixteen parties in the 2012 parliamentary election. That’s nearly a whole alphabet.
Islamist parties won 17 500 000 votes out of 27 000 000.
Also 23 candidates officially registered for the Presidential elections. That’s nearly the whole alphabet.
After some had been prohibited from standing, 13 were left. That’s A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L, and M.
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I believe there were sixteen parties in the 2012 parliamentary election. That’s nearly a whole alphabet.
Islamist parties won 17 500 000 votes out of 27 000 000.
Also 23 candidates officially registered for the Presidential elections. That’s the whole alphabet + 1.
After some had been prohibited from standing, 13 were left. That’s A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L, and M.[/quote]Soooo… What you’re saying is there are a wide variety of groups struggling for political power, each with its own embryonic programs and policies. The two that made it through to the final round of voting were the representative of the old regime and army, and the representative of an organization that’s been around for 80 years. All the new, poorly organized parties… lost. That’s hardly surprising. It’s a function of organization and voter recognition, not a declaration of ideological adherence.
So long as the Brotherhood and military distrust each other, there’s room for democracy to gradually set down roots and creep up the middle.
Thank you for clarifying my point.
At least you are big enough to admit that there were not only 2 options as you insinuated in your earlier post.
I applaud you.
The fact that only two made it through is not relevant. The options were definitely there, covering the entire political spectrum.
I still suggest you do some reading on the Brotherhood. There is no confusion what their aims are.
The electoral choices facing moderate Americans this fall aren’t any better. Between the Neocon Lite policies of Nobel Peace Prize winner Barack Obomber and the heavy duty policies of Neocon poster boy Mitt Bomney bombs will fall, civilians will die, blood will flow. Nations will be attacked without provocation and endless religious war fueled by paranoia and hallucinations of weapons of armageddon will continue. The only possible endgame of the Neocon world view otherwise intelligent, educated westerners have signed up for is an endless downward spiral towards civilizational suicide. Have a nice trip, pilgrims, but stop acting so surprised each time you reap your increasingly bitter harvest because it’s only going to get worse.
Will be interesting to see how this violence further impacts tourism on the Sinai in Sharm El Sheikh and Dahab and if the military steps in. If the Muslim Brotherhood doesn’t curtail this violence, I don’t see the army just sitting back. This area is a major revenue earner for the government/army’s coffers with resort cities, St. Catherine’s Monastery, Mount Sinai etc., major tourism $ on Red Sea diving etc.
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Masked gunmen killed 16 Egyptian guards Sunday at a security checkpoint along the border with Gaza and Israel, attacking with automatic rifles and weapons mounted on their vehicles, a security official said.[/quote]
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